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I'd say it's still true that it was never implemented properly. The fact that you mention a ruling class should signify that. There was still a state, etc so it

I'd say it's still true that it was never implemented properly. The fact that you mention a ruling class should signify that. There was still a state, etc so it was never achieved. That said I think it's a utopia and as such (just like many other anarchistic strains) in line with some of 'utopia's defintions it is impractical/impossible bs.

cowl 4y ago
A ruling class will come out no matter what. Who "redistributes" the wealth? even the most passionate advocates of this form have recognized this and now propose an overruling "AI" and the postponing of this organisation until we can have a "fair AI", Can you predict how even that form will go? And what's more important it does not change the equation that if my contribution results in the same reward as the person X contribution why should I strive to contribute more? It's the inevitable race to the least effort possible that is the doom of Marxist theories. If they say to you "Max you can achieve is X because that is the "Equality" of this society and you achieve X with Effort 2 you will not give effort 10.
- sgu999 4y ago
  > if my contribution results in the same reward as the person X contribution why should I strive to contribute more? The nature of the reward matters, not everything is about wealth and money. Many geniuses are still willingly working in public labs for a fraction of what they'd earn in a corporate or startup.
  - namaria 4y ago
    Wealth is way more complex than 'take home money'. Geniuses in developed countries with highly functional infrastructure and high expectations of security are willing to forego cash income to work on ideals.
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seanw444 4y ago
Commies use the "but that wasn't real communism" phrase all the time, but the point is that it will never be achieved. At least not for any substantial amount of time. It's utterly unnatural. Societal entropy returns it to a resting state every time.
- modo_mario 4y ago
  And I find it pretty easy to argue that but instead plenty of people try to argue to them referring to examples that they don't intend. Essentially arguing past em with neither party achieving anything. Like some people plainly believe for example china with it's loads of billionaires is a communist country and this is what these advocates want locally.

cowl 4y ago

A ruling class will come out no matter what. Who "redistributes" the wealth? even the most passionate advocates of this form have recognized this and now propose an overruling "AI" and the postponing of this organisation until we can have a "fair AI", Can you predict how even that form will go? And what's more important it does not change the equation that if my contribution results in the same reward as the person X contribution why should I strive to contribute more? It's the inevitable race to the least effort possible that is the doom of Marxist theories. If they say to you "Max you can achieve is X because that is the "Equality" of this society and you achieve X with Effort 2 you will not give effort 10.

sgu999 4y ago
> if my contribution results in the same reward as the person X contribution why should I strive to contribute more? The nature of the reward matters, not everything is about wealth and money. Many geniuses are still willingly working in public labs for a fraction of what they'd earn in a corporate or startup.
- namaria 4y ago
  Wealth is way more complex than 'take home money'. Geniuses in developed countries with highly functional infrastructure and high expectations of security are willing to forego cash income to work on ideals.
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seanw444 4y ago

Commies use the "but that wasn't real communism" phrase all the time, but the point is that it will never be achieved. At least not for any substantial amount of time. It's utterly unnatural. Societal entropy returns it to a resting state every time.

modo_mario 4y ago
And I find it pretty easy to argue that but instead plenty of people try to argue to them referring to examples that they don't intend. Essentially arguing past em with neither party achieving anything. Like some people plainly believe for example china with it's loads of billionaires is a communist country and this is what these advocates want locally.