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That's why be don't deserve the title of engineer in software and we should stick with coder or programmer. 'Hi mate. We just bought this rebar from Alibaba, s

That's why be don't deserve the title of engineer in software and we should stick with coder or programmer. 'Hi mate. We just bought this rebar from Alibaba, saved as a ton of money. Could you sign here real quick? We need to finish that bridge!'

vintermann 4y ago
Engineer doesn't imply honesty. In those jurisdiction where it's a protected title, it just implies that you have some mix of STEM topics in your degree. Software engineers, in these jurisdictions, have that mix, and are as real as bioengineers (a.k.a hospital lab workers), chemical process engineers, construction engineers, etc. No one has had their engineer title taken away for being a crook, as far as I know. Unless the crooked thing they did was fake their diploma. Titles won't fix this.
- morelisp 4y ago
  It doesn't imply honesty. It does imply liability, so if something bad happens because you're dishonest, you will lose the title, and suffer other consequences.
- thrwy_918 4y ago
  > No one has had their engineer title taken away for being a crook, as far as I know This seems an absurd claim, unless you're going to get very pedantic about some distinction between "engineer title" and "legal right to function as an engineer". > https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/engineer-s-licence-revoked-after-charbonneau-commission-scandal-1.5726286 https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/engineer-s-licence-revoked-after... This is one example found after just a few seconds of searching, but it is absolutely commonplace to have your engineering license revoked for carrying out criminal activity. > In those jurisdiction where it's a protected title, it just implies that you have some mix of STEM topics in your degree. This seems a bizarre claim too. In jurisdictions where membership of a professional licensing body is necessary in order to refer to oneself as an engineer and practice as an engineer, it is absolutely not the case that all you need is the right "mix of STEM topics in your degree". It means you have a certain degree, have completed a set amount of work experience, have completed a professional certification exam and then maintain that license, which may require meeting other requirements periodically. And yes, "not being a crook" is certainly one of those requirements, and being involved in major criminal activity, especially criminal activity related to your professional practice, is absolutely grounds for having your license and certification as an engineer revoked.
t0suj4 4y ago
I see the sign off as a transaction where the signee assumes responsibility for results being up to spec and all bets are off at this point.

vintermann 4y ago

Engineer doesn't imply honesty. In those jurisdiction where it's a protected title, it just implies that you have some mix of STEM topics in your degree. Software engineers, in these jurisdictions, have that mix, and are as real as bioengineers (a.k.a hospital lab workers), chemical process engineers, construction engineers, etc. No one has had their engineer title taken away for being a crook, as far as I know. Unless the crooked thing they did was fake their diploma. Titles won't fix this.

morelisp 4y ago
It doesn't imply honesty. It does imply liability, so if something bad happens because you're dishonest, you will lose the title, and suffer other consequences.
thrwy_918 4y ago
> No one has had their engineer title taken away for being a crook, as far as I know This seems an absurd claim, unless you're going to get very pedantic about some distinction between "engineer title" and "legal right to function as an engineer". > https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/engineer-s-licence-revoked-after-charbonneau-commission-scandal-1.5726286 https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/engineer-s-licence-revoked-after... This is one example found after just a few seconds of searching, but it is absolutely commonplace to have your engineering license revoked for carrying out criminal activity. > In those jurisdiction where it's a protected title, it just implies that you have some mix of STEM topics in your degree. This seems a bizarre claim too. In jurisdictions where membership of a professional licensing body is necessary in order to refer to oneself as an engineer and practice as an engineer, it is absolutely not the case that all you need is the right "mix of STEM topics in your degree". It means you have a certain degree, have completed a set amount of work experience, have completed a professional certification exam and then maintain that license, which may require meeting other requirements periodically. And yes, "not being a crook" is certainly one of those requirements, and being involved in major criminal activity, especially criminal activity related to your professional practice, is absolutely grounds for having your license and certification as an engineer revoked.

t0suj4 4y ago

I see the sign off as a transaction where the signee assumes responsibility for results being up to spec and all bets are off at this point.