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People should not be drinking and driving is a reasonable statement with overwhelming support for many years. “People should not be driving” is not a statement

People should not be drinking and driving is a reasonable statement with overwhelming support for many years. “People should not be driving” is not a statement that I - or most normies - will ever get behind. Some of us don’t like the bus, the bicycle, or walking. I get it, some of you have a pamphlet to give us about the benefits of these things. We’re not interested. We like the vroom vroom.

sfpotter 4y ago
You can speak for yourself, but you obviously haven't talked to enough people to make a sweeping claim like that. Maybe you like the vroom vroom, but there are loads of people who are forced to drive every day and who absolutely loathe the experience, whether it's because of the sunk time, the cost, the physical, mental, and emotional exhaustion that comes from sitting in traffic for an ungodly amount of time everyday surrounded by people with road rage, or just the pure danger of the thing. I reject the idea that most people won't see the sense in trading in the ability to drive whenever they want for short, inexpensive, and safe commutes, as well as the ability to live somewhere where there's actually something going on, instead of the mind-numbing dullness of the suburbs. But you like the vroom vroom. OK.
- dsfyu404ed 4y ago
  If your average commute includes some confusing interactions with other traffic it's probably not the other traffic that's the problem (unless you drive a lumbering commercial vehicle that is a magnet for people pulling stupid moves to not get stuck behind you). If the average person's driving experience was like yours your opinion wouldn't be in the minority.
  - sfpotter 4y ago
    I used to commute an hour each way from Baltimore to DC on I-95. I am a very defensive driver. My experience had everything to do with other people driving aggressively. I have met countless people who have had the same problem. I guarantee you the number of people who hate commuting by car is not insignificant. If you think otherwise you live in a bubble.
- sn0w_crash 4y ago
  “I reject the idea that most people won't see the sense in trading in the ability to drive whenever they want for short, inexpensive, and safe commutes” I take it you’re from an affluent area and make a high salary. Come to New York City and talk to some of these people about how much they love the subway. It’s not short, inexpensive, or safe. The great thing about people espousing their hatred for cars and the people who use them is it exposes the tech-elite disdain for the average person and a complete disconnect from reality outside of the Bay Area bubble mentality.
  - sfpotter 4y ago
    I live in New York City, I commute on the subway everyday, I do not make a high salary, and I do not live in an affluent area. If I drove to work instead of taking the subway, it would cost a full order of magnitude more per year, and my commute time would increase by a factor of 2. I have never felt unsafe on the subway, but then again I am a white guy. That said, my wife has no problem hopping on the subway with our 6 month old son on her own and has never complained.
feet 4y ago
Liking or not liking something is not necessarily a good reason to do or not do something. Some people don't like eating vegetables, some people would like to eat cake, drink whiskey, and smoke every day. Are those good ideas or bad ideas? Is whether they are good or bad based on whether someone likes something?
standardUser 4y ago
Drinking and driving is a common activity for millions of Americans and that is unlikely to change in our lifetimes. I think harsh penalties and public awareness have certainly helped curtail it, but there is a limit to what we can do. Look at recreational drugs. We've spent untold billions over decades, curtailed civil liberties, enacted extreme penalties, ruined countless lives and what has it gotten us? You can still easily buy coke, meth, heroin, whatever you'd like in every city and town in America. People should not be drinking and driving... but they will. So what do we do with this reality?
- dsfyu404ed 4y ago
  >Drinking and driving is a common activity for millions of Americans and that is unlikely to change in our lifetimes Driving while genuinely intoxicated is absolutely not a "common" activity except for a tiny minority of people who do it habitually. The only way your statement makes any sense is by some puritanical definition of drinking.
  - Arnt 4y ago
    Genuinely intoxicated as opposed to having had one or two small drinks? In that case the headline could be extended to "over half of […] but most had only had one or two small drinks and were not genuinely intoxicated". Less blame for the same amount of harm.
    - dsfyu404ed 4y ago
      Two bud lights isn't gonna make anyone who wasn't already a danger to society into one. I agree that the headline is probably also using some comically low threshold.
      - Arnt 4y ago
        "If you drink and drive, you're a fool and you were one even before you started drinking". Is that what you're trying to say?

sfpotter 4y ago

You can speak for yourself, but you obviously haven't talked to enough people to make a sweeping claim like that. Maybe you like the vroom vroom, but there are loads of people who are forced to drive every day and who absolutely loathe the experience, whether it's because of the sunk time, the cost, the physical, mental, and emotional exhaustion that comes from sitting in traffic for an ungodly amount of time everyday surrounded by people with road rage, or just the pure danger of the thing. I reject the idea that most people won't see the sense in trading in the ability to drive whenever they want for short, inexpensive, and safe commutes, as well as the ability to live somewhere where there's actually something going on, instead of the mind-numbing dullness of the suburbs. But you like the vroom vroom. OK.

dsfyu404ed 4y ago
If your average commute includes some confusing interactions with other traffic it's probably not the other traffic that's the problem (unless you drive a lumbering commercial vehicle that is a magnet for people pulling stupid moves to not get stuck behind you). If the average person's driving experience was like yours your opinion wouldn't be in the minority.
- sfpotter 4y ago
  I used to commute an hour each way from Baltimore to DC on I-95. I am a very defensive driver. My experience had everything to do with other people driving aggressively. I have met countless people who have had the same problem. I guarantee you the number of people who hate commuting by car is not insignificant. If you think otherwise you live in a bubble.
sn0w_crash 4y ago
“I reject the idea that most people won't see the sense in trading in the ability to drive whenever they want for short, inexpensive, and safe commutes” I take it you’re from an affluent area and make a high salary. Come to New York City and talk to some of these people about how much they love the subway. It’s not short, inexpensive, or safe. The great thing about people espousing their hatred for cars and the people who use them is it exposes the tech-elite disdain for the average person and a complete disconnect from reality outside of the Bay Area bubble mentality.
- sfpotter 4y ago
  I live in New York City, I commute on the subway everyday, I do not make a high salary, and I do not live in an affluent area. If I drove to work instead of taking the subway, it would cost a full order of magnitude more per year, and my commute time would increase by a factor of 2. I have never felt unsafe on the subway, but then again I am a white guy. That said, my wife has no problem hopping on the subway with our 6 month old son on her own and has never complained.

feet 4y ago

Liking or not liking something is not necessarily a good reason to do or not do something. Some people don't like eating vegetables, some people would like to eat cake, drink whiskey, and smoke every day. Are those good ideas or bad ideas? Is whether they are good or bad based on whether someone likes something?

standardUser 4y ago

Drinking and driving is a common activity for millions of Americans and that is unlikely to change in our lifetimes. I think harsh penalties and public awareness have certainly helped curtail it, but there is a limit to what we can do. Look at recreational drugs. We've spent untold billions over decades, curtailed civil liberties, enacted extreme penalties, ruined countless lives and what has it gotten us? You can still easily buy coke, meth, heroin, whatever you'd like in every city and town in America. People should not be drinking and driving... but they will. So what do we do with this reality?

dsfyu404ed 4y ago
>Drinking and driving is a common activity for millions of Americans and that is unlikely to change in our lifetimes Driving while genuinely intoxicated is absolutely not a "common" activity except for a tiny minority of people who do it habitually. The only way your statement makes any sense is by some puritanical definition of drinking.
- Arnt 4y ago
  Genuinely intoxicated as opposed to having had one or two small drinks? In that case the headline could be extended to "over half of […] but most had only had one or two small drinks and were not genuinely intoxicated". Less blame for the same amount of harm.
  - dsfyu404ed 4y ago
    Two bud lights isn't gonna make anyone who wasn't already a danger to society into one. I agree that the headline is probably also using some comically low threshold.
    - Arnt 4y ago
      "If you drink and drive, you're a fool and you were one even before you started drinking". Is that what you're trying to say?