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Exactly, to the majority of the population, this looks to them like Apple are constantly improving, as opposed to fixing what were defects/gaps. And that's exac

Exactly, to the majority of the population, this looks to them like Apple are constantly improving, as opposed to fixing what were defects/gaps. And that's exactly what Apple want, which is how you run a business.

saagarjha 4y ago
> this looks to them like Apple are constantly improving, as opposed to fixing what were defects/gaps Going to negative to less negative is still a positive change.
- NoPicklez 4y ago
  My point is in relation to the post above, where its about Apple's marketing. It is improving, but it looks different to the average consumer when you say "we have improved the security of x" as opposed to "we have fixed these existing defects that did x". In relation to someone being annoyed that Apple doesn't openly say the former. It's because of their marketing and image that they say the latter, it always have been. To the average consumer they like seeing the former, but for tech heads we prefer to see the latter.
  - phs318u 4y ago
    I fully expect that the average consumer is not reading any of these notes, and either has automatic updates on, and stuff just magically happens at some point, or has them off, and then wonders why shit breaks 2 years after their last update. The segment of the population that has auto updates off yet waits to read the release notes to make an informed choice regarding updating, is very small. And I'd hazard a guess most of us are on this thread.
brookst 4y ago
Can you explain the difference between "improving" and "fixing defects/gaps"? If something is perfect, how do you improve it?
- NoPicklez 4y ago
  My point is in relation to the post above, where its about Apple's marketing. It is improving, but it looks different to the average consumer when you say ""we have improved the security of x" as opposed to "we have fixed these existing defects that did x". In relation to someone being annoyed that Apple doesn't openly say the former. It's because of their marketing and image that they say the latter, it always have been.
  - simondotau 4y ago
    I still don’t understand the difference between "improving" and "fixing defects/gaps". There might be a difference in tone, but I see no difference in information content.
    - NoPicklez 4y ago
      Please read my comment with the context of the original comment, rather than reading mine in isolation. The user was saying that Apple were wording their fixes of large gaps as simply improvements to the technology, rather than calling out that they had fixed what may have been a significant defects/issues. My point is that you're right, there may not be a difference, but in tone it is different and that is why Apple have worded it that way. Apple is notorious for framing everything in the most positive light it can, which may not necessarily convey the severity of the gaps/defects that were improved. I feel like I'm pulling blood out of a stone here.
      - simondotau 4y ago
        I get all of that. I just don’t see why this is an issue. Far as I can see the accusation is that Apple communicates in a manner less consistent with people who contribute to open source projects and more consistent with just about every major consumer-facing corporation on the planet — then yeah, you’re completely right. I’m just trying to work out where the controversy is. Or why it matters.
        4y ago
lilyball 4y ago
Fixing defects/gaps is improving.
- NoPicklez 4y ago
  My point is in relation to the post above, where its about Apple's marketing. It is improving, but it looks different to the average consumer when you say ""we have improved the security of x" as opposed to "we have fixed these existing defects that did x". In relation to someone being annoyed that Apple doesn't openly say the former. It's because of their marketing and image that they say the latter, it always have been.

saagarjha 4y ago

> this looks to them like Apple are constantly improving, as opposed to fixing what were defects/gaps Going to negative to less negative is still a positive change.

NoPicklez 4y ago
My point is in relation to the post above, where its about Apple's marketing. It is improving, but it looks different to the average consumer when you say "we have improved the security of x" as opposed to "we have fixed these existing defects that did x". In relation to someone being annoyed that Apple doesn't openly say the former. It's because of their marketing and image that they say the latter, it always have been. To the average consumer they like seeing the former, but for tech heads we prefer to see the latter.
- phs318u 4y ago
  I fully expect that the average consumer is not reading any of these notes, and either has automatic updates on, and stuff just magically happens at some point, or has them off, and then wonders why shit breaks 2 years after their last update. The segment of the population that has auto updates off yet waits to read the release notes to make an informed choice regarding updating, is very small. And I'd hazard a guess most of us are on this thread.

brookst 4y ago

Can you explain the difference between "improving" and "fixing defects/gaps"? If something is perfect, how do you improve it?

NoPicklez 4y ago
My point is in relation to the post above, where its about Apple's marketing. It is improving, but it looks different to the average consumer when you say ""we have improved the security of x" as opposed to "we have fixed these existing defects that did x". In relation to someone being annoyed that Apple doesn't openly say the former. It's because of their marketing and image that they say the latter, it always have been.
- simondotau 4y ago
  I still don’t understand the difference between "improving" and "fixing defects/gaps". There might be a difference in tone, but I see no difference in information content.
  - NoPicklez 4y ago
    Please read my comment with the context of the original comment, rather than reading mine in isolation. The user was saying that Apple were wording their fixes of large gaps as simply improvements to the technology, rather than calling out that they had fixed what may have been a significant defects/issues. My point is that you're right, there may not be a difference, but in tone it is different and that is why Apple have worded it that way. Apple is notorious for framing everything in the most positive light it can, which may not necessarily convey the severity of the gaps/defects that were improved. I feel like I'm pulling blood out of a stone here.
    - simondotau 4y ago
      I get all of that. I just don’t see why this is an issue. Far as I can see the accusation is that Apple communicates in a manner less consistent with people who contribute to open source projects and more consistent with just about every major consumer-facing corporation on the planet — then yeah, you’re completely right. I’m just trying to work out where the controversy is. Or why it matters.
      - 4y ago

lilyball 4y ago

Fixing defects/gaps is improving.

NoPicklez 4y ago
My point is in relation to the post above, where its about Apple's marketing. It is improving, but it looks different to the average consumer when you say ""we have improved the security of x" as opposed to "we have fixed these existing defects that did x". In relation to someone being annoyed that Apple doesn't openly say the former. It's because of their marketing and image that they say the latter, it always have been.