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Please don't pull a notch, please don't pull a notch...

Ericson2314 4y ago
Notch took orders of magnitude less time for orders of magnitude more money. I think they're safe. Put on your https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moishe_Postone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moishe_Postone hat and the time portion is especially key here.
- felipemnoa 4y ago
  I do not get your Moishe Postone reference either. What does it mean?
  - deleted 4y ago
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  - Ericson2314 4y ago
    His most famous book, Time, Labor and Social Domination, is not the clearest writing to say the least, but really dumb basic idea is that the downside of work during capitalism are less "boss mean" than the rat race / treadmill of more hours, more deadlines etc. Whatever you say about the Dwarf Fortress creators, one thing that is clear is that they hopped way the fuck off that treadmill. Money gave Notch a "rush" (pun very much intended!) but the Adam's brothers were clearly in no rush. I think that means this success will not get to their heads. He who was never running won't trip.
    - felipemnoa 4y ago
      Thank you for this very clear explanation!
felipemnoa 4y ago
What do you mean? I don't get the reference.
- colechristensen 4y ago
  Notch is the dude who built Minecraft and then sold it to Microsoft for a billion dollars.
- moritonal 4y ago
  Because no one explained. Notch made Minecraft and at one point was making £300k a minute in sales. After a few years of very intense life changing profits he eventually sold Minecraft for £4B and turned into a bit of a weirdo largely blamed on his sudden rise in wealth. If you read his blog you'd understand there was a lot of subtlety and complex relationships and emotions, but the gist is that.
  - culi 4y ago
    - symlinkk 4y ago
      So “weirdo” means “not aligned with leftist politics”
      - culi 4y ago
        If the above examples are what you label "not aligned with leftist politics" then sure Not sure why you would define not being a shitty human being as "leftist" but I guess the strength of language is its malleability so have at it
        Firmwarrior 4y ago
        yeah, man.. I got muscled out of The Left for wearing masks too early in the pandemic, but I don't feel like it's controversial to say that Pizzagate and QAnon are "weird"
        DonHopkins 4y ago
DonHopkins 4y ago
I was just thinking that myself, and wrote about it 5 days ago! But I have a lot more faith in the Adams brothers than my misplaced faith in Notch, who was inspired by Dwarf Fortress to make Minecraft. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33907092 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33907092 DonHopkins 5 days ago | parent | context | favorite | on: I liberate the ending to Minecraft from Microsoft ... Years ago when Minecraft was new, I used to really respect and admire and root for Markus Persson because of his work, but then he opened his mouth, showed the world who he really was, lost all my respect, and totally disgusted me. It would have been so easy for him to just keep his big mouth shut, count and spend all his money, and retain all the hard earned respect and admiration that so many people including myself had for him, but then we would have been delusionally admiring a truly terrible Q-Anon supporting, GamerGate promoting, misogynistic, homophobic, transphobic, racist bigot, who called video game developer and feminism supporter Zoë Quinn a "cunt". "When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time." – Maya Angelou Oh course he tried to walk back some of his worst tweets, but what kind of person tweets that kind of shit in the first place? I believe what he showed about himself the first time, not his pathetic attempt at damage control. So I guess it's better that we all now know what kind of a horrible person Notch really is thanks to his own words, so we're not wasting our money, energy, and respect on somebody who certainly doesn't deserve it. Let him serve as an anti-hero for exposing other bigots who choose to carry his water and show everyone who they really are by defending him. I'd much rather spend my money and admiration on wholesome deservingly beloved game developers like Tarn and Zach Adams, who've worked so hard and creatively on Dwarf Fortress, and are decent human beings who totally deserve to reap the benefits of their fine dedicated work. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarn_Adams https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarn_Adams https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markus_Persson#Controversial_views https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markus_Persson#Controversial_v... Markus Persson: Controversial views Persson has received criticism for political and social opinions he has expressed on social media since around 2017. Many of his comments have seen by others as misogynistic, racist, and homophobic.[52] He claimed feminism was a "social disease", and called video game developer and feminism supporter Zoë Quinn a "cunt".[53][54] He took offence to gay pride celebrations, asserting there should be heterosexual pride days and stating that opponents to his ideas "deserve to be shot".[54][55] After facing backlash, he deleted the tweets and rescinded his statements, writing "So yeah, it's about pride of daring to express, not about pride of being who you are. I get it now."[56] Persson said in social media that "It's okay to be white"[57] and that he believed privilege is a "made up metric".[58] He has promoted claims that people are fined for "using the wrong pronoun".[52] Persson has also faced criticism for tweeting in support of QAnon, stating that "Q is legit. Don't trust the media."[59] In March 2019, a Minecraft update removed all mentions of Persson from the game's menu, though his name is still in the credits.[60] Microsoft did not explain this action, but its timing led multiple news outlets to conclude it was related to the controversies associated with him.[60][61] Persson was not invited to the game's tenth anniversary event later in 2019, with Microsoft saying that his views "do not reflect those of Microsoft or Mojang".[52][62] [52] "Minecraft creator Notch unwelcome at 10th anniversary due to online conduct". Ars Technica. 29 April 2019. Retrieved 6 November 2022. https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2019/04/online-conduct-leaves-markus-notch-persson-out-of-minecraft-10th-anniversary/ https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2019/04/online-conduct-leaves... [53] Bonazzo, John (13 June 2017). "Minecraft Creator Tells Women on Twitter 'Act Like a Cunt, Get Called a Cunt'". Observer. Archived from the original on 19 August 2019. Retrieved 18 June 2019. https://observer.com/2017/06/minecraft-gamergate-markus-persson-notch-zoe-quinn/ https://observer.com/2017/06/minecraft-gamergate-markus-pers... [54] Kane, Vivian (29 April 2019). "Minecraft's Creator Excluded From the Game's 10th Anniversary Due to Racist, Sexist, Transphobic Comments". The Mary Sue. Archived from the original on 16 May 2019. Retrieved 18 June 2019. https://web.archive.org/web/20190516071226/https://www.themarysue.com/notch-minecraft-bad-comments-and-opinions/ https://web.archive.org/web/20190516071226/https://www.thema... [55] "Minecraft creator Notch unwelcome at 10th anniversary due to online conduct". Ars Technica. 29 April 2019. Retrieved 9 April 2022. https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2019/04/online-conduct-leaves-markus-notch-persson-out-of-minecraft-10th-anniversary/ https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2019/04/online-conduct-leaves... [56] Morris, David Z. (2 July 2017). "Minecraft Creator Sparks Cries of Homophobia". Fortune. Time Inc. Archived from the original on 3 December 2017. Retrieved 3 December 2017. http://fortune.com/2017/07/02/minecraft-markus-persson-homophobia/ http://fortune.com/2017/07/02/minecraft-markus-persson-homop... [57] Crecente, Brian (29 April 2019). "'Minecraft' Creator Excluded From Anniversary Due to 'Comments and Opinions' (Exclusive)". Variety. Archived from the original on 17 June 2020. Retrieved 25 July 2019. https://variety.com/2019/gaming/news/minecraft-creator-excluded-from-anniversary-due-to-comments-and-opinions-exclusive-1203200050/ https://variety.com/2019/gaming/news/minecraft-creator-exclu... [58] "The Creator of 'Minecraft' Tweeted Some Dumb Stuff About Race". GQ. Archived from the original on 25 July 2019. Retrieved 25 July 2019. https://www.gq.com/story/notch-whiteness-tweets https://www.gq.com/story/notch-whiteness-tweets [59] "From Q-Anon to transphobia, the creator of 'Minecraft' has takes". Newsweek. 11 March 2019. Retrieved 17 June 2022. https://www.newsweek.com/minecraft-notch-controversy-twitter-transphobic-q-1359020 https://www.newsweek.com/minecraft-notch-controversy-twitter... [60] Thubron, Rob (28 March 2019). "Microsoft removes references to game creator Notch in latest Minecraft update". TechSpot. Archived from the original on 4 February 2020. Retrieved 31 March 2020. https://www.techspot.com/news/79403-microsoft-removes-references-game-creator-notch-latest-minecraft.html https://www.techspot.com/news/79403-microsoft-removes-refere... [61] Lanier, Liz (28 March 2019). "Some References to 'Minecraft' Creator Notch Removed From Game". Variety. Archived from the original on 7 June 2020. Retrieved 31 March 2020. https://variety.com/2019/gaming/news/notch-removed-minecraft-1203174964/ https://variety.com/2019/gaming/news/notch-removed-minecraft... [62] Arif, Shabana (29 April 2019). "Minecraft creator Notch won't be included in the game's 10 year anniversary event". VG247. Archived from the original on 29 April 2019. Retrieved 29 April 2019. https://www.vg247.com/2019/04/29/minecraft-creator-notch-absent-from-anniversary-due-to-opinions-and-comments/ https://www.vg247.com/2019/04/29/minecraft-creator-notch-abs...
flippinburgers 4y ago
Unnecessary tangent.

Notch took orders of magnitude less time for orders of magnitude more money. I think they're safe. Put on your https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moishe_Postone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moishe_Postone hat and the time portion is especially key here.

felipemnoa 4y ago
I do not get your Moishe Postone reference either. What does it mean?
- deleted 4y ago
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- Ericson2314 4y ago
  His most famous book, Time, Labor and Social Domination, is not the clearest writing to say the least, but really dumb basic idea is that the downside of work during capitalism are less "boss mean" than the rat race / treadmill of more hours, more deadlines etc. Whatever you say about the Dwarf Fortress creators, one thing that is clear is that they hopped way the fuck off that treadmill. Money gave Notch a "rush" (pun very much intended!) but the Adam's brothers were clearly in no rush. I think that means this success will not get to their heads. He who was never running won't trip.
  - felipemnoa 4y ago
    Thank you for this very clear explanation!

felipemnoa 4y ago

What do you mean? I don't get the reference.

colechristensen 4y ago
Notch is the dude who built Minecraft and then sold it to Microsoft for a billion dollars.
moritonal 4y ago
Because no one explained. Notch made Minecraft and at one point was making £300k a minute in sales. After a few years of very intense life changing profits he eventually sold Minecraft for £4B and turned into a bit of a weirdo largely blamed on his sudden rise in wealth. If you read his blog you'd understand there was a lot of subtlety and complex relationships and emotions, but the gist is that.
- culi 4y ago
  - symlinkk 4y ago
    So “weirdo” means “not aligned with leftist politics”
    - culi 4y ago
      If the above examples are what you label "not aligned with leftist politics" then sure Not sure why you would define not being a shitty human being as "leftist" but I guess the strength of language is its malleability so have at it
      - Firmwarrior 4y ago
        yeah, man.. I got muscled out of The Left for wearing masks too early in the pandemic, but I don't feel like it's controversial to say that Pizzagate and QAnon are "weird"
        DonHopkins 4y ago

DonHopkins 4y ago

I was just thinking that myself, and wrote about it 5 days ago! But I have a lot more faith in the Adams brothers than my misplaced faith in Notch, who was inspired by Dwarf Fortress to make Minecraft. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33907092 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33907092 DonHopkins 5 days ago | parent | context | favorite | on: I liberate the ending to Minecraft from Microsoft ... Years ago when Minecraft was new, I used to really respect and admire and root for Markus Persson because of his work, but then he opened his mouth, showed the world who he really was, lost all my respect, and totally disgusted me. It would have been so easy for him to just keep his big mouth shut, count and spend all his money, and retain all the hard earned respect and admiration that so many people including myself had for him, but then we would have been delusionally admiring a truly terrible Q-Anon supporting, GamerGate promoting, misogynistic, homophobic, transphobic, racist bigot, who called video game developer and feminism supporter Zoë Quinn a "cunt". "When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time." – Maya Angelou Oh course he tried to walk back some of his worst tweets, but what kind of person tweets that kind of shit in the first place? I believe what he showed about himself the first time, not his pathetic attempt at damage control. So I guess it's better that we all now know what kind of a horrible person Notch really is thanks to his own words, so we're not wasting our money, energy, and respect on somebody who certainly doesn't deserve it. Let him serve as an anti-hero for exposing other bigots who choose to carry his water and show everyone who they really are by defending him. I'd much rather spend my money and admiration on wholesome deservingly beloved game developers like Tarn and Zach Adams, who've worked so hard and creatively on Dwarf Fortress, and are decent human beings who totally deserve to reap the benefits of their fine dedicated work. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarn_Adams https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarn_Adams https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markus_Persson#Controversial_views https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markus_Persson#Controversial_v... Markus Persson: Controversial views Persson has received criticism for political and social opinions he has expressed on social media since around 2017. Many of his comments have seen by others as misogynistic, racist, and homophobic.[52] He claimed feminism was a "social disease", and called video game developer and feminism supporter Zoë Quinn a "cunt".[53][54] He took offence to gay pride celebrations, asserting there should be heterosexual pride days and stating that opponents to his ideas "deserve to be shot".[54][55] After facing backlash, he deleted the tweets and rescinded his statements, writing "So yeah, it's about pride of daring to express, not about pride of being who you are. I get it now."[56] Persson said in social media that "It's okay to be white"[57] and that he believed privilege is a "made up metric".[58] He has promoted claims that people are fined for "using the wrong pronoun".[52] Persson has also faced criticism for tweeting in support of QAnon, stating that "Q is legit. Don't trust the media."[59] In March 2019, a Minecraft update removed all mentions of Persson from the game's menu, though his name is still in the credits.[60] Microsoft did not explain this action, but its timing led multiple news outlets to conclude it was related to the controversies associated with him.[60][61] Persson was not invited to the game's tenth anniversary event later in 2019, with Microsoft saying that his views "do not reflect those of Microsoft or Mojang".[52][62] [52] "Minecraft creator Notch unwelcome at 10th anniversary due to online conduct". Ars Technica. 29 April 2019. Retrieved 6 November 2022. https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2019/04/online-conduct-leaves-markus-notch-persson-out-of-minecraft-10th-anniversary/ https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2019/04/online-conduct-leaves... [53] Bonazzo, John (13 June 2017). "Minecraft Creator Tells Women on Twitter 'Act Like a Cunt, Get Called a Cunt'". Observer. Archived from the original on 19 August 2019. Retrieved 18 June 2019. https://observer.com/2017/06/minecraft-gamergate-markus-persson-notch-zoe-quinn/ https://observer.com/2017/06/minecraft-gamergate-markus-pers... [54] Kane, Vivian (29 April 2019). "Minecraft's Creator Excluded From the Game's 10th Anniversary Due to Racist, Sexist, Transphobic Comments". The Mary Sue. Archived from the original on 16 May 2019. Retrieved 18 June 2019. https://web.archive.org/web/20190516071226/https://www.themarysue.com/notch-minecraft-bad-comments-and-opinions/ https://web.archive.org/web/20190516071226/https://www.thema... [55] "Minecraft creator Notch unwelcome at 10th anniversary due to online conduct". Ars Technica. 29 April 2019. Retrieved 9 April 2022. https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2019/04/online-conduct-leaves-markus-notch-persson-out-of-minecraft-10th-anniversary/ https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2019/04/online-conduct-leaves... [56] Morris, David Z. (2 July 2017). "Minecraft Creator Sparks Cries of Homophobia". Fortune. Time Inc. Archived from the original on 3 December 2017. Retrieved 3 December 2017. http://fortune.com/2017/07/02/minecraft-markus-persson-homophobia/ http://fortune.com/2017/07/02/minecraft-markus-persson-homop... [57] Crecente, Brian (29 April 2019). "'Minecraft' Creator Excluded From Anniversary Due to 'Comments and Opinions' (Exclusive)". Variety. Archived from the original on 17 June 2020. Retrieved 25 July 2019. https://variety.com/2019/gaming/news/minecraft-creator-excluded-from-anniversary-due-to-comments-and-opinions-exclusive-1203200050/ https://variety.com/2019/gaming/news/minecraft-creator-exclu... [58] "The Creator of 'Minecraft' Tweeted Some Dumb Stuff About Race". GQ. Archived from the original on 25 July 2019. Retrieved 25 July 2019. https://www.gq.com/story/notch-whiteness-tweets https://www.gq.com/story/notch-whiteness-tweets [59] "From Q-Anon to transphobia, the creator of 'Minecraft' has takes". Newsweek. 11 March 2019. Retrieved 17 June 2022. https://www.newsweek.com/minecraft-notch-controversy-twitter-transphobic-q-1359020 https://www.newsweek.com/minecraft-notch-controversy-twitter... [60] Thubron, Rob (28 March 2019). "Microsoft removes references to game creator Notch in latest Minecraft update". TechSpot. Archived from the original on 4 February 2020. Retrieved 31 March 2020. https://www.techspot.com/news/79403-microsoft-removes-references-game-creator-notch-latest-minecraft.html https://www.techspot.com/news/79403-microsoft-removes-refere... [61] Lanier, Liz (28 March 2019). "Some References to 'Minecraft' Creator Notch Removed From Game". Variety. Archived from the original on 7 June 2020. Retrieved 31 March 2020. https://variety.com/2019/gaming/news/notch-removed-minecraft-1203174964/ https://variety.com/2019/gaming/news/notch-removed-minecraft... [62] Arif, Shabana (29 April 2019). "Minecraft creator Notch won't be included in the game's 10 year anniversary event". VG247. Archived from the original on 29 April 2019. Retrieved 29 April 2019. https://www.vg247.com/2019/04/29/minecraft-creator-notch-absent-from-anniversary-due-to-opinions-and-comments/ https://www.vg247.com/2019/04/29/minecraft-creator-notch-abs...

flippinburgers 4y ago

Unnecessary tangent.