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The "unsafe app" thing may be against the new law. The text of the law is "The gatekeeper shall not prevent business users from offering the same products [...]

The "unsafe app" thing may be against the new law. The text of the law is "The gatekeeper shall not prevent business users from offering the same products [...] at prices or conditions that are different from those offered through the online intermediation services of the gatekeeper" Keyword being conditions. Having a third-party app store disable a bunch of functionality would be different conditions than a first-party app store.

bilbo0s 4y ago
Not sure what you're saying here? A third party store could offer itself and turn off certain security features. I'm not sure that would be against the law. In fact, I'm certain it would not even be against the law for Apple to say, "Hey, your app store turned off security, so we will no longer give you our users' credit card numbers." (In fact, that's what policymakers hope for. The goal is nothing going through Apple. Least of all payments.) If people are expecting the law to allow low security payments, then they are in for a rude awakening. For one, no one has taken leave of their senses here. Secondly, the credit card companies have in no way given Apple permission to allow access to their payment system under terms of reduced security. (In fact, they haven't given permission for Apple to offer access to their payment systems under any modified terms at all. Security or otherwise.) Now what lawmakers are saying is that Apple should allow different app stores to participate on their platform. But yes, the vision, and hope, is that those app stores will have their own arrangements with the credit card companies. But some app stores will probably just keep Apple security protections in place and use Apple's services. There's nothing that precludes that either. (But that would be disappointing in the sense that everything would still be going through Apple.)
- ThatPlayer 4y ago
  What security features are you talking about? Third party stores will only have the API features as Apple adds them, and the law only forces the same feature access as their own first party store. Does Apple's own App Store allow you to turn off security features?
MagicMoonlight 4y ago
There's nothing stopping you implementing your own contactless payments, you just can't use Apple pay.
- ThatPlayer 4y ago
  The problem isn't that you can't use Apple Pay, but you can't release an app that works like Apple Pay because of features Apple do not allow others to use. Quick look at the docs, Apple only allows apps to read NFC tags, not host card emulation to use for contactless payments the same way your credit card or Apple Pay works https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Host_card_emulation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Host_card_emulation
  - MagicMoonlight 4y ago
    But my point is that you will be able to use all this stuff if they’re forced to allow the OS to be opened. You just won’t get to use their product

bilbo0s 4y ago

Not sure what you're saying here? A third party store could offer itself and turn off certain security features. I'm not sure that would be against the law. In fact, I'm certain it would not even be against the law for Apple to say, "Hey, your app store turned off security, so we will no longer give you our users' credit card numbers." (In fact, that's what policymakers hope for. The goal is nothing going through Apple. Least of all payments.) If people are expecting the law to allow low security payments, then they are in for a rude awakening. For one, no one has taken leave of their senses here. Secondly, the credit card companies have in no way given Apple permission to allow access to their payment system under terms of reduced security. (In fact, they haven't given permission for Apple to offer access to their payment systems under any modified terms at all. Security or otherwise.) Now what lawmakers are saying is that Apple should allow different app stores to participate on their platform. But yes, the vision, and hope, is that those app stores will have their own arrangements with the credit card companies. But some app stores will probably just keep Apple security protections in place and use Apple's services. There's nothing that precludes that either. (But that would be disappointing in the sense that everything would still be going through Apple.)

ThatPlayer 4y ago
What security features are you talking about? Third party stores will only have the API features as Apple adds them, and the law only forces the same feature access as their own first party store. Does Apple's own App Store allow you to turn off security features?

MagicMoonlight 4y ago

There's nothing stopping you implementing your own contactless payments, you just can't use Apple pay.

ThatPlayer 4y ago
The problem isn't that you can't use Apple Pay, but you can't release an app that works like Apple Pay because of features Apple do not allow others to use. Quick look at the docs, Apple only allows apps to read NFC tags, not host card emulation to use for contactless payments the same way your credit card or Apple Pay works https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Host_card_emulation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Host_card_emulation
- MagicMoonlight 4y ago
  But my point is that you will be able to use all this stuff if they’re forced to allow the OS to be opened. You just won’t get to use their product