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If they’re smart they hopefully have incorporated and will only need to take money out of the corporation to pay themselves to cover their expenses. So they won

If they’re smart they hopefully have incorporated and will only need to take money out of the corporation to pay themselves to cover their expenses. So they won’t pay tax on the full amount up front and will have most of the money pretax for future business expenses

count 4y ago
I would guess Steam will only distribute games from companies for legal reasons...so most likely, yes.
- sitzkrieg 4y ago
  you can sign up as an individual though and use ssn, as well as a passthru llc so as long as they have a tax entity they dont seem to care
- loeg 4y ago
  Individuals are legal businesses in the US (a "sole proprietor").
wintogreen74 4y ago
That's not how corporate income tax works though; the company pays taxes on all that sales income less expenses, and then they would likely take dividends at a preferential tax rate and pay yet some more tax. I doubt they've been carrying much of a loss over the past 20+ years to offset this.
- datalopers 4y ago
  It would take 20 years to pull it off, and tax legislation may change, but a married couple can earn next year ~$115k/yr federally tax-free ($89k long-term cap gains + $27k earned income). So that source of income would only be subject to the initial 20% corporate tax.
  - ghiculescu 4y ago
    Can you elaborate on how this works? Asking for a married friend…
    - datalopers 4y ago
      This blogpost [1] explains in detail but the gist is: * Standard-deduction next year is $27,700 married ($13,850 single) * Long-term-capital-gains is 0% on first $89,250 ($44,625 single) Thus if you have the tooling to perfectly control your income, e.g. you take $27,700 in treasury bill payments and then sell off enough stock (or take qualified dividends from your corporation's bank account) in the total of $89,250, you'd end up with: * Ordinary Income: $27,700 - standard deduction of $27,700 = $0 taxable income * Long-Term-Capital-Gains of $89,250 = 0% ltcg tax bracket = $116,950 ($58,427 single) of federally tax-free income Then if you're in a no-income-tax state (such as WA, like the Adams brothers), you don't owe any taxes at all. [1] https://www.kitces.com/blog/long-term-capital-gains-bump-zone-higher-marginal-tax-rate-phase-in-0-rate/ https://www.kitces.com/blog/long-term-capital-gains-bump-zon...
repiret 4y ago
If it’s a C-corp, then the corporation will have to pay income tax on its profit. If it’s an S-corp, then the owners will have to pay income tax of the corporate profits even if they do stay in the corporate coffers. Unless there’s another way you hand in mind?
- throwaway2037 4y ago
  I recommend "Double Irish With a Dutch Sandwich".
- opportune 4y ago
  As far as I know you can do clever accounting with IP licensing but I don’t know the specifics well enough to know if it’s feasible at the scale the Adams are operating at

count 4y ago

I would guess Steam will only distribute games from companies for legal reasons...so most likely, yes.

sitzkrieg 4y ago
you can sign up as an individual though and use ssn, as well as a passthru llc so as long as they have a tax entity they dont seem to care
loeg 4y ago
Individuals are legal businesses in the US (a "sole proprietor").

wintogreen74 4y ago

That's not how corporate income tax works though; the company pays taxes on all that sales income less expenses, and then they would likely take dividends at a preferential tax rate and pay yet some more tax. I doubt they've been carrying much of a loss over the past 20+ years to offset this.

datalopers 4y ago
It would take 20 years to pull it off, and tax legislation may change, but a married couple can earn next year ~$115k/yr federally tax-free ($89k long-term cap gains + $27k earned income). So that source of income would only be subject to the initial 20% corporate tax.
- ghiculescu 4y ago
  Can you elaborate on how this works? Asking for a married friend…
  - datalopers 4y ago
    This blogpost [1] explains in detail but the gist is: * Standard-deduction next year is $27,700 married ($13,850 single) * Long-term-capital-gains is 0% on first $89,250 ($44,625 single) Thus if you have the tooling to perfectly control your income, e.g. you take $27,700 in treasury bill payments and then sell off enough stock (or take qualified dividends from your corporation's bank account) in the total of $89,250, you'd end up with: * Ordinary Income: $27,700 - standard deduction of $27,700 = $0 taxable income * Long-Term-Capital-Gains of $89,250 = 0% ltcg tax bracket = $116,950 ($58,427 single) of federally tax-free income Then if you're in a no-income-tax state (such as WA, like the Adams brothers), you don't owe any taxes at all. [1] https://www.kitces.com/blog/long-term-capital-gains-bump-zone-higher-marginal-tax-rate-phase-in-0-rate/ https://www.kitces.com/blog/long-term-capital-gains-bump-zon...

repiret 4y ago

If it’s a C-corp, then the corporation will have to pay income tax on its profit. If it’s an S-corp, then the owners will have to pay income tax of the corporate profits even if they do stay in the corporate coffers. Unless there’s another way you hand in mind?

throwaway2037 4y ago
I recommend "Double Irish With a Dutch Sandwich".
opportune 4y ago
As far as I know you can do clever accounting with IP licensing but I don’t know the specifics well enough to know if it’s feasible at the scale the Adams are operating at