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I don't want to pay for Apple to "verify" my app. Add a user, I do. Developers, and the tech sphere in general, have proven themselves untrustworthy. This i

I don't want to pay for Apple to "verify" my app. Add a user, I do. Developers, and the tech sphere in general, have proven themselves untrustworthy. This is the bed of greed the tech industry built. Now lay in it.

pessimizer 4y ago
> Add a user, I do. For a user, Apple's app store will remain available. Your love for Coca-cola isn't ruined by the existence of Pepsi.
- doctor_eval 4y ago
  It is, if the Pepsi is poisoned.
  - pessimizer 4y ago
    Pepsi being poisoned will not affect your Coke.
    - doctor_eval 4y ago
      How are you going to enjoy that Coke while your system is down?
      - yunwal 4y ago
        Why is my system down?
        doctor_eval 4y ago
        Look, it’s not my analogy, but I think you’re all being quite disingenuous. If I can use alternate stores then some popular apps - Fortnite is an obvious one - will go them exclusively, forcing people to set up and use a store which will probably do less auditing. Those apps will be able to steal more of my data, and some of them might (will) be malicious (“poison”). Once a malicious app destroys my phone, “the system is down”; I can’t use any apps regardless of where I bought them. Ransomware is a multi billion dollar business, and alternate stores will be motivated to cut corners. What could go wrong?
        _aavaa_ 4y ago
        The elephant in the room in this discussion is OS level permissions to access files and information on the phone from outside the app. The app can do whatever it wants, but if I disable it’s access to the internet at a system level it’s not getting access to the internet. Even desktop OSes work like this. Just because I install a piece of software on my laptop does not mean that it gets root access.
        yunwal 4y ago
        > Those apps will be able to steal more of my data, and some of them might (will) be malicious (“poison”). This seems a bit hyperbolic. I personally have not had this problem on my laptop (a Mac) despite being able to sideload apps, and it likely being a much juicier target.
subradios 4y ago
Apple in fact uses and sells your data for the same purposes it is "protecting you" from when other developers do it. You can yell about Zucks adtech empire all you like, but Apple launched their competitor at the same time they denied other apps. Google is now moving the same direction as well. Your phone OS vendor controlling which software distribution platform is mandatory is not meaningfully, "security".
- simonh 4y ago
  >Apple in fact uses and sells your data for the same purposes it is "protecting you" from when other developers do it. I don’t believe this is true, can you cite a source? The recent buzz about ‘targeted ads’ was actually about adds on their own App Store, no third party data sharing or sale was involved, so I believe you are mistaken.
  - smoldesu 4y ago
    By that definition, Google doesn't share your data either. But they do, by monetizing it in the form of targeted ads. Both Apple and Google try to gussy it up with 'anonymous' labels, but the business of tracking and monetizing your habits is shared by both.
    - simonh 4y ago
      It’s still not the same as selling your data to third parties, with all the many very considerable additional privacy and accountability problems that entails. It’s also not using your data to provision ads on third party sites and apps. I’ve seen people claim Apple does both of those things here before, and the fact is they don’t. What they are just starting to do is no different from Amazon using your past purchases to place ads on their own site. I have no problem with that either. If your going to criticise them and think what they are doing is wrong, fine. That’s fair, but could people at least get what they're complaining about factually correct.
      - error503 4y ago

pessimizer 4y ago

> Add a user, I do. For a user, Apple's app store will remain available. Your love for Coca-cola isn't ruined by the existence of Pepsi.

doctor_eval 4y ago
It is, if the Pepsi is poisoned.
- pessimizer 4y ago
  Pepsi being poisoned will not affect your Coke.
  - doctor_eval 4y ago
    How are you going to enjoy that Coke while your system is down?
    - yunwal 4y ago
      Why is my system down?
      - doctor_eval 4y ago
        Look, it’s not my analogy, but I think you’re all being quite disingenuous. If I can use alternate stores then some popular apps - Fortnite is an obvious one - will go them exclusively, forcing people to set up and use a store which will probably do less auditing. Those apps will be able to steal more of my data, and some of them might (will) be malicious (“poison”). Once a malicious app destroys my phone, “the system is down”; I can’t use any apps regardless of where I bought them. Ransomware is a multi billion dollar business, and alternate stores will be motivated to cut corners. What could go wrong?
        _aavaa_ 4y ago
        The elephant in the room in this discussion is OS level permissions to access files and information on the phone from outside the app. The app can do whatever it wants, but if I disable it’s access to the internet at a system level it’s not getting access to the internet. Even desktop OSes work like this. Just because I install a piece of software on my laptop does not mean that it gets root access.
        yunwal 4y ago
        > Those apps will be able to steal more of my data, and some of them might (will) be malicious (“poison”). This seems a bit hyperbolic. I personally have not had this problem on my laptop (a Mac) despite being able to sideload apps, and it likely being a much juicier target.

subradios 4y ago

Apple in fact uses and sells your data for the same purposes it is "protecting you" from when other developers do it. You can yell about Zucks adtech empire all you like, but Apple launched their competitor at the same time they denied other apps. Google is now moving the same direction as well. Your phone OS vendor controlling which software distribution platform is mandatory is not meaningfully, "security".

simonh 4y ago
>Apple in fact uses and sells your data for the same purposes it is "protecting you" from when other developers do it. I don’t believe this is true, can you cite a source? The recent buzz about ‘targeted ads’ was actually about adds on their own App Store, no third party data sharing or sale was involved, so I believe you are mistaken.
- smoldesu 4y ago
  By that definition, Google doesn't share your data either. But they do, by monetizing it in the form of targeted ads. Both Apple and Google try to gussy it up with 'anonymous' labels, but the business of tracking and monetizing your habits is shared by both.
  - simonh 4y ago
    It’s still not the same as selling your data to third parties, with all the many very considerable additional privacy and accountability problems that entails. It’s also not using your data to provision ads on third party sites and apps. I’ve seen people claim Apple does both of those things here before, and the fact is they don’t. What they are just starting to do is no different from Amazon using your past purchases to place ads on their own site. I have no problem with that either. If your going to criticise them and think what they are doing is wrong, fine. That’s fair, but could people at least get what they're complaining about factually correct.
    - error503 4y ago