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I can see why someone familiar with the law would be comfortable speaking with the police, but it's tough for a lay person to know if they are being lied to or

by rurp 4y ago

I can see why someone familiar with the law would be comfortable speaking with the police, but it's tough for a lay person to know if they are being lied to or will inadvertantly say something seemingly benign that causes them grief. Given that police are allowed to lie with impunity and might become your enemy, it's almost all downside for oneself to speak to them. If cops were obligated to be honest in more respects I would be more willing to open up, but of course they don't want any restrictions in that area. Cops in the US want to be able to lie whenever it's convenient and also have everyone trust them, but that's not a very fair bargain for the general public.

gamblor956 4y ago
If the police are asking you questions, they're not lying to you...they're just asking questions. And if the police say something seemingly benign that causes you grief, you can look forward to a large-ish settlement to make up for your troubles. People on HN rarely interact with the police and it seems they have an unrealistic, media-driven perception of how cops actually act. For point of reference, it's the same as how non-techies assume that every tech employee can hack their way into a bank account or rig together a go-kart from spare parts.
- hprotagonist 4y ago
  they’re not .. not lying to you, either. Maybe! https://reischlawfirm.com/police-allowed-to-lie/ https://reischlawfirm.com/police-allowed-to-lie/
  - gamblor956 4y ago
    That's mostly FUD from a criminal defense firm trying to scare people into hiring them. Cops are not as bad as people think they are. Cops behaving badly (in the U.S.) is news because it is the exception and not the norm.
    - hprotagonist 4y ago
      ~30% of wrongful convictions is just rounding error, right? https://www.law.umich.edu/special/exoneration/Pages/detaillist.aspx?View=%7BFAF6EDDB-5A68-4F8F-8A52-2C61F5BF9EA7%7D&FilterField1=FC&FilterValue1=8%5FFC&FilterField2=DNA&FilterValue2=8%5FDNA https://www.law.umich.edu/special/exoneration/Pages/detailli...
      - gamblor956 4y ago
        Read your own source. Because, by your logic, SBF being a con artist means that all programmers are con artists. 30% These convictions aren't the result of people talking to the police and then getting screwed over. The overwhelming majority of them are the result of cross-racial witness identifications. To put it bluntly: most wrongful convictions are due to racism on the part of prosecution witnesses.

by rurp 4y ago

gamblor956 4y ago

If the police are asking you questions, they're not lying to you...they're just asking questions. And if the police say something seemingly benign that causes you grief, you can look forward to a large-ish settlement to make up for your troubles. People on HN rarely interact with the police and it seems they have an unrealistic, media-driven perception of how cops actually act. For point of reference, it's the same as how non-techies assume that every tech employee can hack their way into a bank account or rig together a go-kart from spare parts.

hprotagonist 4y ago
they’re not .. not lying to you, either. Maybe! https://reischlawfirm.com/police-allowed-to-lie/ https://reischlawfirm.com/police-allowed-to-lie/
- gamblor956 4y ago
  That's mostly FUD from a criminal defense firm trying to scare people into hiring them. Cops are not as bad as people think they are. Cops behaving badly (in the U.S.) is news because it is the exception and not the norm.
  - hprotagonist 4y ago
    ~30% of wrongful convictions is just rounding error, right? https://www.law.umich.edu/special/exoneration/Pages/detaillist.aspx?View=%7BFAF6EDDB-5A68-4F8F-8A52-2C61F5BF9EA7%7D&FilterField1=FC&FilterValue1=8%5FFC&FilterField2=DNA&FilterValue2=8%5FDNA https://www.law.umich.edu/special/exoneration/Pages/detailli...
    - gamblor956 4y ago
      Read your own source. Because, by your logic, SBF being a con artist means that all programmers are con artists. 30% These convictions aren't the result of people talking to the police and then getting screwed over. The overwhelming majority of them are the result of cross-racial witness identifications. To put it bluntly: most wrongful convictions are due to racism on the part of prosecution witnesses.