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I shudder to think how poorly built all these new "Cheap" Chinese EVs must be. If my and the rest of the world's experiences with Chinese built e-bikes and e-sc

I shudder to think how poorly built all these new "Cheap" Chinese EVs must be. If my and the rest of the world's experiences with Chinese built e-bikes and e-scooters is anything to go by, we're soon going to be in the age of the "Disposable automobile." I had a friend who got 4 defective Chinese e-scooters in a row all brand new from the manufacturer... These cheap Chinese EVs all just going to end up getting scrapped in 3-5 years or less and the environmental impact from all the toxic materials used in these cars ending up in landfills is going to be a disaster. Personally I'd way rather spend substantially more money on an EV from a reputable brand (I tend to prioritize reliability first and foremost), as for anyone dumb enough to actually buy one of these lemons outside of China, good luck getting warranty support or after sales service or even parts for your broken car. Once your cheap new Chinese EV breaks (And it will) you won't be able to get it serviced, and it will just end up rotting away in a landfill leaching toxic chemicals into the earth.

Meph504 4y ago
I mean, you keep saying "cheap Chinese" have you seen the build quality of say Tesla lately, have tried to get one serviced? We are in an age of disposable everything, and it isn't just the Chinese with poor build quality, this reduction in quality is driven by the private equity acquisitions and quarter over quarter demands. And this attitude that is ruining production and produced goods in all markets. When you can't innovate or continue to grab more of the market, the only way to increase profits is to reduce cost of production. And you end up with a shit quality product.
- constantcrying 4y ago
  It is so disgusting to see just limitless amounts of "products" that are made without any shred of care put into them. And it isn't just the cheap garbage infesting everything, even if you pay quite a bit of money the thing you get will still have obvious cut corners. Clearly the engineers are completely capable of better, but making something work more reliable is just the company loosing money on the margin and on spare parts. I have to say I am very glad that I am not working on consumer products.
benj111 4y ago
As a counterpoint to your sample. My phone was built in China and works. My last phone was built in China, and works. My laptop was built in China, and works. In fact quite a lot of the stuff I buy comes from China and it mostly works.
- lostlogin 4y ago
  Designed in California and made in China, the quality is great.
neuralRiot 4y ago
Maybe in first world countries it makes sense to purchase a quality built EV instead, but do you have an idea how hard is to even buy a used scooter for some people in other places? This obviously is not aimed to replace Teslas in NY or Tokyo but it probably is a more environment-friendly alternative to old oil-burning cars in some places.
2Gkashmiri 4y ago
https://tiagoev.tatamotors.com/ https://tiagoev.tatamotors.com/ this one is $10k, double the 5700 but it has global ncap of 4. range of ~250km and the brand is solid enough to trust your life with (as opposed to manufacturers in india who have ncap rating of 0 and they still sell like hot cakes)

Meph504 4y ago

I mean, you keep saying "cheap Chinese" have you seen the build quality of say Tesla lately, have tried to get one serviced? We are in an age of disposable everything, and it isn't just the Chinese with poor build quality, this reduction in quality is driven by the private equity acquisitions and quarter over quarter demands. And this attitude that is ruining production and produced goods in all markets. When you can't innovate or continue to grab more of the market, the only way to increase profits is to reduce cost of production. And you end up with a shit quality product.

constantcrying 4y ago
It is so disgusting to see just limitless amounts of "products" that are made without any shred of care put into them. And it isn't just the cheap garbage infesting everything, even if you pay quite a bit of money the thing you get will still have obvious cut corners. Clearly the engineers are completely capable of better, but making something work more reliable is just the company loosing money on the margin and on spare parts. I have to say I am very glad that I am not working on consumer products.

benj111 4y ago

As a counterpoint to your sample. My phone was built in China and works. My last phone was built in China, and works. My laptop was built in China, and works. In fact quite a lot of the stuff I buy comes from China and it mostly works.

lostlogin 4y ago
Designed in California and made in China, the quality is great.

neuralRiot 4y ago

Maybe in first world countries it makes sense to purchase a quality built EV instead, but do you have an idea how hard is to even buy a used scooter for some people in other places? This obviously is not aimed to replace Teslas in NY or Tokyo but it probably is a more environment-friendly alternative to old oil-burning cars in some places.

2Gkashmiri 4y ago

https://tiagoev.tatamotors.com/ https://tiagoev.tatamotors.com/ this one is $10k, double the 5700 but it has global ncap of 4. range of ~250km and the brand is solid enough to trust your life with (as opposed to manufacturers in india who have ncap rating of 0 and they still sell like hot cakes)