4 ms·

Technical and security issues aside, I wonder how the users are going to take it. My generation (1992) didn’t have a major cultural phenomenon being attacked i

by mikrl 4y ago

Technical and security issues aside, I wonder how the users are going to take it. My generation (1992) didn’t have a major cultural phenomenon being attacked in this way, though there was still the moral panic around things like social media and research chems. The closest comparison I can draw is the crackdown on raves which affected western Gen X youth, but TikTok is more pervasive and more heterogeneous as a form of cultural expression. Copycats? Underground tiktok? Gen Z influencers calling for action against the feds? Acceptance of the government’s position?

hereme888 4y ago
The "attack" is equivalent of trying to rescue opioid addicts from heroin. Or like you said, cracking down on raves (because we all know what really fuels and motivates those parties. I hope more ethical companies take over the void. In fact, I see YouTube, Facebook, and Twitter in a position to fill the void since they've introduced "shorts" and some things similar to tik tok.
- AlexandrB 4y ago
  There are no ethical companies in the social media space - they're all trying to maximize engagement and manipulate you for economic gain. This is more like telling opioid addicts: "don't take that Chinese heroin, use our home-grown stuff instead".
  - hereme888 4y ago
    I agree that there are no ethical social media companies (except maybe the "decentralized" ones like Mastodon perhaps). By more ethical I mean companies that don't share data with a literal enemy, like the CCP. I'm all about passing very strong laws and lawsuits against big tech for their continued abuse despite previous wrist slaps.
- _michaelll 4y ago
  > more ethical companies... YouTube, Facebook, and Twitter What do you use as the measurement for more ethical in this case? I see the companies you mentioned completely equivalent(all pretty bad) in terms of making choices that are best for our shared society.
  - hereme888 4y ago
    By more ethical I mean companies that don't share data with a literal enemy, like the CCP. I'm all about passing very strong laws and lawsuits against big tech for their continued abuse despite previous wrist slaps.
p0pcult 4y ago
In the 90s, we had Tipper Gore trying to ban explicit song lyrics.
- hedora 4y ago
  If you think that's bad, you should read up on how the record industry intentionally partitioned music by ethnicity back in the early 1900's. Ever wonder why radio stations break down by race in the US? It didn't start out that way, but then there was a big moral panic over interracial marriage. (Similarly, but unrelated to music, check out sentencing law disparities for expensive white collar fresh cocaine vs. cheaper inner-city preserved cocaine.)
wavesounds 4y ago
Snapchat, YouTube and Instagram already provide alternatives that are nearly identical in functionality.
- mikrl 4y ago
  I remember vine from my undergrad and cannot see how tiktok is different, yet… I know a bunch of tiktok users and vine went the way of the Harlem shake, side parted hair and tribal print on everything.
- _fat_santa 4y ago
  If TikTok was to actually get banned I could see IG Reels scooping up most of that userbase. Though they can replicate the functionality, replicating the algorithm is going to be difficult. One of the things that's made TikTok such a phenomenon is that their algorithm is crazy good at figuring out what you like and boosting small content creators.
  - kobalsky 4y ago
    another big thing, last time I checked IG was way less family friend than Tik Tok though. Tik Tok won't give you NSFW content even if you search for it. They made an excellent job filtering it.
    - rrrrrrrrrrrryan 4y ago
      They filter out everyone the CCP doesn't like. No sex, no politics, no provocative expression. Just wholesome clips of happy citizens dancing and living joyful lives under the communist regime. Such content isn't inherently bad of course, but if you're an adult and that's the only media you're consuming, it's a bit like eating fast food for every meal.
- nickthegreek 4y ago
  If that was true, they wouldnt be getting their lunch eaten by tiktok.

by mikrl 4y ago

hereme888 4y ago

The "attack" is equivalent of trying to rescue opioid addicts from heroin. Or like you said, cracking down on raves (because we all know what really fuels and motivates those parties. I hope more ethical companies take over the void. In fact, I see YouTube, Facebook, and Twitter in a position to fill the void since they've introduced "shorts" and some things similar to tik tok.

AlexandrB 4y ago
There are no ethical companies in the social media space - they're all trying to maximize engagement and manipulate you for economic gain. This is more like telling opioid addicts: "don't take that Chinese heroin, use our home-grown stuff instead".
- hereme888 4y ago
  I agree that there are no ethical social media companies (except maybe the "decentralized" ones like Mastodon perhaps). By more ethical I mean companies that don't share data with a literal enemy, like the CCP. I'm all about passing very strong laws and lawsuits against big tech for their continued abuse despite previous wrist slaps.
_michaelll 4y ago
> more ethical companies... YouTube, Facebook, and Twitter What do you use as the measurement for more ethical in this case? I see the companies you mentioned completely equivalent(all pretty bad) in terms of making choices that are best for our shared society.
- hereme888 4y ago
  By more ethical I mean companies that don't share data with a literal enemy, like the CCP. I'm all about passing very strong laws and lawsuits against big tech for their continued abuse despite previous wrist slaps.

p0pcult 4y ago

In the 90s, we had Tipper Gore trying to ban explicit song lyrics.

hedora 4y ago
If you think that's bad, you should read up on how the record industry intentionally partitioned music by ethnicity back in the early 1900's. Ever wonder why radio stations break down by race in the US? It didn't start out that way, but then there was a big moral panic over interracial marriage. (Similarly, but unrelated to music, check out sentencing law disparities for expensive white collar fresh cocaine vs. cheaper inner-city preserved cocaine.)

wavesounds 4y ago

Snapchat, YouTube and Instagram already provide alternatives that are nearly identical in functionality.

mikrl 4y ago
I remember vine from my undergrad and cannot see how tiktok is different, yet… I know a bunch of tiktok users and vine went the way of the Harlem shake, side parted hair and tribal print on everything.
_fat_santa 4y ago
If TikTok was to actually get banned I could see IG Reels scooping up most of that userbase. Though they can replicate the functionality, replicating the algorithm is going to be difficult. One of the things that's made TikTok such a phenomenon is that their algorithm is crazy good at figuring out what you like and boosting small content creators.
- kobalsky 4y ago
  another big thing, last time I checked IG was way less family friend than Tik Tok though. Tik Tok won't give you NSFW content even if you search for it. They made an excellent job filtering it.
  - rrrrrrrrrrrryan 4y ago
    They filter out everyone the CCP doesn't like. No sex, no politics, no provocative expression. Just wholesome clips of happy citizens dancing and living joyful lives under the communist regime. Such content isn't inherently bad of course, but if you're an adult and that's the only media you're consuming, it's a bit like eating fast food for every meal.
nickthegreek 4y ago
If that was true, they wouldnt be getting their lunch eaten by tiktok.