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Ehm this is wrong. The only true thing you stated is that someone has to learn a new language if moving. But most international companies are speaking english a

Ehm this is wrong. The only true thing you stated is that someone has to learn a new language if moving. But most international companies are speaking english anyway. Its super easy to move and change job in europe. Sign the contract and its done. The problem is each country has their own system but they are very similar. Not as easy as in the us but easy. And there is a shitload of synergy… can you prove your point? If I look at the countries export they are mostly exporting to europe. Airbus etc are another examples.

mathverse 4y ago
No it is not. A legal entity in Germany cannot offer a contract to someone in Poland. As a german entity you need to create a legal entity in Poland and offer a polish contract. What synergy do you see? Because I see none.
- _visgean 4y ago
  you can work as a self employed developer etc. been there, done that, mostly its a non-issue
  - mathverse 4y ago
    And lose all the "european benefits"? I could work b2b from anywhere in the world at that point.
    - higeorge13 4y ago
      Which european benefits? Everything is local. As a greek i would lose 44% of my income annually, and have mediocre greek insurance and hospitals. What’s the benefit of this? I will sign b2b contracts with eu or us companies as long as i can.
  - rad_gruchalski 4y ago
    Sure, but that’s not employment anymore. Because you are self-employed, you are missing out on a bunch of perks. Like… notice period? What notice period?
    - _visgean 4y ago
      you can create ltd and employ yourself if you want to. I have a notice period in my short term contract.
      - rad_gruchalski 4y ago
        Yes, you can. But now it costs you a lot of money. Also, as someone hiring a contractor, I don’t care what arrangements you have in your own limited company. If I don’t like you, you’re out. Hopefully you have more clients.
        _visgean 4y ago
        at least in the uk running things through limited companies cost less money, not more. Again some contracts have notice periods - this goes for both sides. But yeah you dont get much protection so there is that disadvantage. I would say the biggest downside is that you dont get paid holiday (but you can simply add this to your rate) and it is harder to get mortgage.
        rad_gruchalski 4y ago
        You have a tax return to file as a private person, and as a company. I had a limited company in the UK. No idea if the dividend tax is as low as it used to be. If it is, and you can go on through the fiscal year without claiming a salary, it sure will be cheaper. Assuming that there’s still no upper dividend limit.
        _visgean 4y ago
        you can also employ yourself and pay yourself as min salary.. that way you get some additional tax deductions..
filleokus 4y ago
> Its super easy to move and change job in europe. Sign the contract and its done From what I've heard from Swedish friends that have moved to e.g Germany, it's almost impossible to setup a normal life without the help of german speaking friends. To get the pay check I need a German bank account, and then I need to fill out paper forms with tax agencies and stuff (all in German of course). "Super easy" for me would be if I could sign a contract, move to Berlin, get an apartment, get payed to my Swedish bank account etc all without having to deal with the German government in a (to me) foreign language. Essentially that I'm a citizen where I would like to vote and have my "main presence", but that I then just can roam around EU and live/work anywhere. But all that is not really possible, since different EU countries have wild varying tax schemes, and take different levels of responsibility for e.g health care, school, pension etc. It would be unfair for someone to pay Irish or Dutch taxes while living in Sweden and getting Swedish benefits.
- albert180 4y ago
  I don't see any reason why a foreign bank account shouldn't work, maybe that was before SEPA-Times. But it would be very stupid because Sweden hasn't adopted the Euro yet, so they would pay double the conversion fees (when they get money from their employer it would get converted to SEK, and when they buy stuff in Berlin in card it would be converted back to EUR)
BlargMcLarg 4y ago
The software market shows the same issues in regards to expansion. Multilingual support? A pain. Systems? A pain. How do you consolidate the idea that it is 'easy' when market expansion shows the very opposite?

mathverse 4y ago

No it is not. A legal entity in Germany cannot offer a contract to someone in Poland. As a german entity you need to create a legal entity in Poland and offer a polish contract. What synergy do you see? Because I see none.

_visgean 4y ago
you can work as a self employed developer etc. been there, done that, mostly its a non-issue
- mathverse 4y ago
  And lose all the "european benefits"? I could work b2b from anywhere in the world at that point.
  - higeorge13 4y ago
    Which european benefits? Everything is local. As a greek i would lose 44% of my income annually, and have mediocre greek insurance and hospitals. What’s the benefit of this? I will sign b2b contracts with eu or us companies as long as i can.
- rad_gruchalski 4y ago
  Sure, but that’s not employment anymore. Because you are self-employed, you are missing out on a bunch of perks. Like… notice period? What notice period?
  - _visgean 4y ago
    you can create ltd and employ yourself if you want to. I have a notice period in my short term contract.
    - rad_gruchalski 4y ago
      Yes, you can. But now it costs you a lot of money. Also, as someone hiring a contractor, I don’t care what arrangements you have in your own limited company. If I don’t like you, you’re out. Hopefully you have more clients.
      - _visgean 4y ago
        at least in the uk running things through limited companies cost less money, not more. Again some contracts have notice periods - this goes for both sides. But yeah you dont get much protection so there is that disadvantage. I would say the biggest downside is that you dont get paid holiday (but you can simply add this to your rate) and it is harder to get mortgage.
        rad_gruchalski 4y ago
        You have a tax return to file as a private person, and as a company. I had a limited company in the UK. No idea if the dividend tax is as low as it used to be. If it is, and you can go on through the fiscal year without claiming a salary, it sure will be cheaper. Assuming that there’s still no upper dividend limit.
        _visgean 4y ago
        you can also employ yourself and pay yourself as min salary.. that way you get some additional tax deductions..

filleokus 4y ago

> Its super easy to move and change job in europe. Sign the contract and its done From what I've heard from Swedish friends that have moved to e.g Germany, it's almost impossible to setup a normal life without the help of german speaking friends. To get the pay check I need a German bank account, and then I need to fill out paper forms with tax agencies and stuff (all in German of course). "Super easy" for me would be if I could sign a contract, move to Berlin, get an apartment, get payed to my Swedish bank account etc all without having to deal with the German government in a (to me) foreign language. Essentially that I'm a citizen where I would like to vote and have my "main presence", but that I then just can roam around EU and live/work anywhere. But all that is not really possible, since different EU countries have wild varying tax schemes, and take different levels of responsibility for e.g health care, school, pension etc. It would be unfair for someone to pay Irish or Dutch taxes while living in Sweden and getting Swedish benefits.

albert180 4y ago
I don't see any reason why a foreign bank account shouldn't work, maybe that was before SEPA-Times. But it would be very stupid because Sweden hasn't adopted the Euro yet, so they would pay double the conversion fees (when they get money from their employer it would get converted to SEK, and when they buy stuff in Berlin in card it would be converted back to EUR)

BlargMcLarg 4y ago

The software market shows the same issues in regards to expansion. Multilingual support? A pain. Systems? A pain. How do you consolidate the idea that it is 'easy' when market expansion shows the very opposite?