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Because China is not a good example to follow. It is a dystopian state with full control of what their citizens have access to. Why would you want to have your
by mrtksn 4y ago
Because China is not a good example to follow. It is a dystopian state with full control of what their citizens have access to. Why would you want to have your government to choose the apps for you?
- uoaei 4y agoThe world is composed of shades of grey.
- mrtksn 4y agoWhat shade of Pantone gray is the US government curating the AppStore?
- eternalban 4y agoThe shade that comes with shiny black boots happily goosestepping down Constitution Avenue NW.
- mardifoufs 4y agoWhat does that even mean? You think tiktok will lead to Chinese invasion? What a complete hyperbole, might as well restrict every civil liberty then since they will obviously all help our future Chinese invaders! Maybe I didn't understand your comment though.
- rootusrootus 4y agoI suspect OP was thinking it was the shiny black boots of the US Govt, not the Chinese.
- eternalban 4y ago> Maybe I didn't understand your comment though. Yes, you have misunderstood. GP asked what shade of gray goes with US gov running appstore. I responded with a fascist imagery - gray uniforms and black boots. [Those would be certain Americans wearing boots ..] I agree with GP that taking a totalitarian regime (CPC's China) as a role model is not the right choice for us, at all.
- mardifoufs 4y agoSorry about that! Completely missed the point. I agree with you fwiw.
- eternalban 4y agonp! judging by the reception /g it is possible many misread it as well.
- somrand0 4y agoyou need to pay whomever owns pantone a bunch of money to know that kind of thing this is now easier than ever through adobe cloud offerings! only 12 usd a month!
- FpUser 4y agoTo me it looks like shades of brown
- throwaway1777 4y agoHate to break it to you but lots of things are banned in the US for very good reasons.
- kube-system 4y agoWestern countries have always had trade restrictions on physical trade, why is digital trade different?
- somrand0 4y agobecause digital assets have a fundamental difference with material ones. I'm referring to how digital assets can be owned non-exclusively, i.e. we can both have the same data. In contrast material (or physical) assets are exclusive. Either I have it xOR you do, we cannot both own the same thing. Stocks (and other sophisticated goods) are interesting because they mean we each own a fraction of something, even when that object cannot actually be easily split. But notice how there's still a sense of exclusivity; the same stock cannot be owned by multiple people at the same time.
- kube-system 4y agoThat's just a general list of differences between physical and digital things. Trade restrictions on physical goods don't exist due to matters of ownership. > the same stock cannot be owned by multiple people at the same time. This may be an irrelevant tangent, but that's entirely untrue.
- somrand0 4y agoclearly I need to learn more about stock ownership; but that would require the opportunity to own stock. And I'm from a secondary/lower socioeconomic-tier from a 3rd tier (third world country). So those opportunities aren't readily available to me. regardless, the restrictions on trade of physical goods exists due to matters of ownership over government-level permissions (licenses?) for import/export, taxation, an other such kinds of things. It's ownership over whole countries; that's the ownership at play when considering digital trade restrictions.
- kube-system 4y agotrade restrictions exist for many other reasons than 'ownership': political reciprocity, agricultural security, product health and safety, national security, etc. When these types of products come through customs, it doesn't matter who owns them, they're prohibited because of the inherent qualities of the items themselves.
- jzmorganchase 4y agoif you believe China is a dystopian state why would a Chinese tech product that isn't even allowed in it's international form within China not itself "dystopian" imo the most dystopian thing about TikTok is the fact that China intentionally exports a highly addictive product that they don't allow their own people to use
- nequo 4y agoTikTok does exist in China. It is called Douyin. The reason that they have a separate service domestically is most likely not the addictiveness of it. From the introduction section of Wikipedia's article on TikTok: TikTok and Douyin have almost the same user interface but no access to each other's content. Their servers are each based in the market where the respective app is available.[11] The two products are similar, but their features are not identical. Douyin includes an in-video search feature that can search by people's faces for more videos of them and other features such as buying, booking hotels and making geo-tagged reviews.[12] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TikTok https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TikTok Edit: I see what you mean. For all intents and purposes, I stand corrected.
- jzmorganchase 4y agoThis is not true. The recent 60 minutes story specifically says the type of content is completely different because it is heavily moderated in China which is the total opposite of what we see in the US or elsewhere outside of China. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0j0xzuh-6rY&ab_channel=60Minutes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0j0xzuh-6rY&ab_channel=60Min...
- time_to_smile 4y agoI'm consistently surprised that many people in the tech community treat China as some unknowable country that we only get a few snippets of insight in from our media. If you work in tech, you most certainly have a few Chinese citizens as coworkers and colleagues. Talk to them about what life is like if you're curious, don't rely on "60 minutes". TikTok in China may be moderated but only to keep anything controversial from the government perspective off. I've seen this myth floating that somehow tiktok in China is much more wholesome, which is ridiculous. As far as the ill effects of social media, TikTok is arguably worse in China as it's almost entirely people trying to sell things and make a quick buck, flooded with get rich quick schemes and scams. All of the things mentioned in that 60 minutes video can be found in the US version of TikTok, there is plenty of educational content. The idea that everyone in China is watching scientific experiments on tiktok while its corrupting American youth is ridiculous.
- nell 4y agoIt then follows that you don't want a dystopian state to control the discourse of your citizens.
- AlbertCory 4y agoAh, it's the old slippery-slope argument again. I'm fine with banning all apps from countries that require their app-makers to share data with the government. If that requires an international treaty to codify when a company must share data (e.g. only with a criminal warrant), then great, let's do that. China would refuse to sign that treaty? Even better.
- vkou 4y agoSo, you will ban apps from ~all other countries.
- LarryMullins 4y agoCertainly Europe would be better off if they took this approach and banned all American apps. American techies have no respect for European privacy laws and will never faithfully follow the spirit of such laws, or even the letter.
- pjmlp 4y agoThe biggest issue with this is also needing to adopt OSes and programming languages that aren't controlled by US companies.
- LarryMullins 4y agoI think the longer they wait, the worse it will hurt. They're caught in a bramble bush and getting themselves unstuck is going to get them scratched up. But the longer they put off freeing themselves, the more the bramble grows around them. They should have done it years ago. They should do it now, before the "Trusted Computing" trap slams shut forever.
- jacooper 4y agoThey are smarter than a blanket ban, create rules that suite the EU, not just a blanket ban.
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- rhino369 4y agoIt's not free trade if its one way only. Banning one application (due to trade reasons) is not "full control" of what apps US citizens have access to.
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- _8j50 4y agoThis isn't following china but responding symmetrically to a hostile economic action. The government regulates commerce so just like they can ban Google from operating they can ban bytedance. If the apps you use only affected you, I wouldn't care bur China is using this information as a strategic intelligence source to influence and harm american economic and political entities.
- onlyrealcuzzo 4y agoWhen you make up 25% of the global population - it's pretty hard for companies to compete when 25% of the global market is locked out. The idea that we can allow China to ban all non-Chinese companies and then let Chinese companies "freely compete" with other global companies is insane, and I'm not sure why it's been going on for 30 years. I guess because China was starting from so far behind that it took 20+ years for any Chinese companies to get to a point they are literal threats to western companies. If we follow down this path of allowing China to gate access to 25% of the world and having our companies compete with theirs - there will mostly only be Chinese companies left... That sounds infinitely more dystopian to me.
- mensetmanusman 4y agoIt’s not following, it’s tit-for-tat in game theory which can pressure your partner to behave better.
- Aunche 4y agoEnforcing trade agreements isn't the same as censorship. Having said that, this legislation does seem like it's more about censorship than trade.