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To those who think it's not YC / HN's problem, you're missing that HN literally has a Job Board: https://news.ycombinator.com/jobs https://news.ycombinator.com/

To those who think it's not YC / HN's problem, you're missing that HN literally has a Job Board: https://news.ycombinator.com/jobs https://news.ycombinator.com/jobs This is a core part of their offering, it's not just user generated content, it's YC companies posting on YC's job board.

yamtaddle 4y ago
It's deeply bizarre to me that there are so many posters on here who think a fund that: 1) invests in, 2) advises, and 3) provides free job advertising to; various startups, has no responsibility to advise them to follow the law when posting those job advertisements on that fund's own job board. I understand the ones who raise the possibility that some of these aren't, in fact, breaking the law, for one reason or another, but the ones who seem to take offense at the notion that YC might have even a sliver of responsibility here in the first place are really surprising.
- toomuchtodo 4y ago
  Squeaky wheel gets the grease. Never assume someone will do the right or legal thing, regardless of status or PR. Can’t explain the Stockholm Syndrome (“but the ones who seem to take offense at the notion that YC might have even a sliver of responsibility here”), people can be emotional, irrational creatures due to life experience and belief systems. But Sequoia lost $200M on a fraud having done zero due diligence, so perhaps it’s simply different shades of apathy all the way down.
  - roflyear 4y ago
    I'm glad this took off. I think some of the posts were fixed!! :)
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- rchaud 4y ago
  in Silicon Valley style "first principles thinking", you start from the premise that laws don't exist. Airbnb and Uber wouldn't exist if their backers urged them to comply with state laws.
- edanm 4y ago
  Just out of curiosity - how do you know that YC doesn't advise startups to do exactly that? Advice can be ignored, after all. (Note: I'm not saying they are or aren't, I have no idea either way.)
godelski 4y ago
Do we know why the Who's Hiring threads stopped encouraging wage posting? Wasn't there a template? I remember there also used to be a user led effort to upvote those who posted salaries and downvote those who didn't.
cheeze 4y ago
Isn't that the benefit of hackernews to ycombinator? You have an incredible reach with highly technical users, and you can inject your hiring ads into the posts.
Dracophoenix 4y ago
OP is likely referring to the "Who is Hiring?" posts. Those offerings are user-generated and likely fall under Section 230. Even if that weren't the case, New York City has no juridiction over a company's speech in the Bay Area.
- shkkmo 4y ago
  They clearly are not given the explicit mention of these being YC companies combined with the lack of the ability to comment on the posts, which is only ever true of the special job postings from YC companies that get placed on the front page without needing to be upvoted. They are also clear that they are talking about companies based in NYC that are clearly required to follow NY law.
- janalsncm 4y ago
  Unless you are a lawyer it does not seem prudent to err on the side of “don’t worry about it” when it comes to the law. I’m also not a lawyer but this is the kind of thing companies get slapped with fines for all the time.
- roflyear 4y ago
  No, I mean the job ads that are sometimes promoted.
0xbadcafebee 4y ago
The craziest one is The Muse, which is NYC based, and is literally a jobs board, but does not list salary for its own jobs. Doesn't inspire confidence!
- roflyear 4y ago
  Lol missed that one!

yamtaddle 4y ago

It's deeply bizarre to me that there are so many posters on here who think a fund that: 1) invests in, 2) advises, and 3) provides free job advertising to; various startups, has no responsibility to advise them to follow the law when posting those job advertisements on that fund's own job board. I understand the ones who raise the possibility that some of these aren't, in fact, breaking the law, for one reason or another, but the ones who seem to take offense at the notion that YC might have even a sliver of responsibility here in the first place are really surprising.

toomuchtodo 4y ago
Squeaky wheel gets the grease. Never assume someone will do the right or legal thing, regardless of status or PR. Can’t explain the Stockholm Syndrome (“but the ones who seem to take offense at the notion that YC might have even a sliver of responsibility here”), people can be emotional, irrational creatures due to life experience and belief systems. But Sequoia lost $200M on a fraud having done zero due diligence, so perhaps it’s simply different shades of apathy all the way down.
- roflyear 4y ago
  I'm glad this took off. I think some of the posts were fixed!! :)
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
rchaud 4y ago
in Silicon Valley style "first principles thinking", you start from the premise that laws don't exist. Airbnb and Uber wouldn't exist if their backers urged them to comply with state laws.
edanm 4y ago
Just out of curiosity - how do you know that YC doesn't advise startups to do exactly that? Advice can be ignored, after all. (Note: I'm not saying they are or aren't, I have no idea either way.)

godelski 4y ago

Do we know why the Who's Hiring threads stopped encouraging wage posting? Wasn't there a template? I remember there also used to be a user led effort to upvote those who posted salaries and downvote those who didn't.

cheeze 4y ago

Isn't that the benefit of hackernews to ycombinator? You have an incredible reach with highly technical users, and you can inject your hiring ads into the posts.

Dracophoenix 4y ago

OP is likely referring to the "Who is Hiring?" posts. Those offerings are user-generated and likely fall under Section 230. Even if that weren't the case, New York City has no juridiction over a company's speech in the Bay Area.

shkkmo 4y ago
They clearly are not given the explicit mention of these being YC companies combined with the lack of the ability to comment on the posts, which is only ever true of the special job postings from YC companies that get placed on the front page without needing to be upvoted. They are also clear that they are talking about companies based in NYC that are clearly required to follow NY law.
janalsncm 4y ago
Unless you are a lawyer it does not seem prudent to err on the side of “don’t worry about it” when it comes to the law. I’m also not a lawyer but this is the kind of thing companies get slapped with fines for all the time.
roflyear 4y ago
No, I mean the job ads that are sometimes promoted.

0xbadcafebee 4y ago

The craziest one is The Muse, which is NYC based, and is literally a jobs board, but does not list salary for its own jobs. Doesn't inspire confidence!

roflyear 4y ago
Lol missed that one!