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I agree with the sentiment but maybe you can see this post as them doing that very thing but aimed at YC. While I agree normal HN posts don’t need to be policed

I agree with the sentiment but maybe you can see this post as them doing that very thing but aimed at YC. While I agree normal HN posts don’t need to be policed, the ads for hiring at YC companies aren’t normal posts.

gregjor 4y ago
Sure. But if someone wants YC to enforce posting salary ranges in job posts they might want to take that up privately with YC management rather than starting with public criticism. In other contexts people usually advocate "praise publicly, criticize privately." If the OP thinks YC job posts break the law or fall short of ethical rules then I suggest asking YC about it rather than accusing YC companies of "breaking hiring laws" on a public forum.
- shanebellone 4y ago
  OP didn't accuse. OP pointed out. NY evidently requires pay ranges. This job posting did not include the required pay range. There are also zero posts disparaging the company, YC, or HN. Any particular range you're upset about this?
  - gregjor 4y ago
    The original post title: "Why are YC companies breaking hiring laws?" I read that as an accusation. OP did not name any specific companies supposedly breaking hiring laws. New York City started requiring salary ranges in job postings for most companies (not all) just a few weeks ago. I would interpret a few job postings that don't include salaries as oversights or perhaps companies exempt from the law (which has a few exceptions). If someone posted "Why is HN allowing shanelbellone to break the law?" would you read that as an accusation?
    - pixl97 4y ago
      Why are you so heavily invested in this accusation? HN is completely capable of responding to any accusations properly.
      - gregjor 4y ago
        I have invested exactly as much in this thread as you and everyone else have. I don't have any investment in the topic. I don't care if companies post salaries in their job postings. I just pointed out that the OP made a couple of accusations, including the implication that YC was allowing their companies to break the law in HN job postings. OP did not provide any examples. > HN is completely capable of responding to any accusations properly. Exactly, that was the point I made above. If OP thinks HN is complicit in something illegal, take it up with them. I didn't post unsourced accusations on HN. If I had an actual concern about YC allowing (OP's word) their companies to break the law I would contact YC about it privately. If someone posts in a public forum that some (unnamed) companies have broken the law (without any supporting facts), and that YC maybe allowed that because of their financial interest, making them complicit, I think that person should expect pushback. Either back up the claim or back off. My personal reasons for commenting make no difference. Questioning my motives or "investment" amount to ad hominem, and don't address the issues raised by the OP or subsequent comments.
        shanebellone 4y ago
        I don't understand how you can say this: "without any supporting facts" Your comments sound angry, defensive, and accusatory.
        gregjor 4y ago
        What facts did the OP provide to support the claim that YC was allowing YC startups to post job ads without salary ranges, allegedly in violation of NYC law? Go back to the original post and point out the supporting facts. That's how I can say it. I have no stake in this. I pointed out that OP leveled an accusation against YC and some "YC startups" claiming that their job postings did not include salary ranges "when law requires it." With not a single referenced job posting or example that just stands as an unfounded accusation. Again, no need to try to infer my motives or emotional state. Either the OP made an unsupported accusation or they did not. Easy enough to determine that from the post without projecting or speculating about my emotional state.

gregjor 4y ago

Sure. But if someone wants YC to enforce posting salary ranges in job posts they might want to take that up privately with YC management rather than starting with public criticism. In other contexts people usually advocate "praise publicly, criticize privately." If the OP thinks YC job posts break the law or fall short of ethical rules then I suggest asking YC about it rather than accusing YC companies of "breaking hiring laws" on a public forum.

shanebellone 4y ago
OP didn't accuse. OP pointed out. NY evidently requires pay ranges. This job posting did not include the required pay range. There are also zero posts disparaging the company, YC, or HN. Any particular range you're upset about this?
- gregjor 4y ago
  The original post title: "Why are YC companies breaking hiring laws?" I read that as an accusation. OP did not name any specific companies supposedly breaking hiring laws. New York City started requiring salary ranges in job postings for most companies (not all) just a few weeks ago. I would interpret a few job postings that don't include salaries as oversights or perhaps companies exempt from the law (which has a few exceptions). If someone posted "Why is HN allowing shanelbellone to break the law?" would you read that as an accusation?
  - pixl97 4y ago
    Why are you so heavily invested in this accusation? HN is completely capable of responding to any accusations properly.
    - gregjor 4y ago
      I have invested exactly as much in this thread as you and everyone else have. I don't have any investment in the topic. I don't care if companies post salaries in their job postings. I just pointed out that the OP made a couple of accusations, including the implication that YC was allowing their companies to break the law in HN job postings. OP did not provide any examples. > HN is completely capable of responding to any accusations properly. Exactly, that was the point I made above. If OP thinks HN is complicit in something illegal, take it up with them. I didn't post unsourced accusations on HN. If I had an actual concern about YC allowing (OP's word) their companies to break the law I would contact YC about it privately. If someone posts in a public forum that some (unnamed) companies have broken the law (without any supporting facts), and that YC maybe allowed that because of their financial interest, making them complicit, I think that person should expect pushback. Either back up the claim or back off. My personal reasons for commenting make no difference. Questioning my motives or "investment" amount to ad hominem, and don't address the issues raised by the OP or subsequent comments.
      - shanebellone 4y ago
        I don't understand how you can say this: "without any supporting facts" Your comments sound angry, defensive, and accusatory.
        gregjor 4y ago
        What facts did the OP provide to support the claim that YC was allowing YC startups to post job ads without salary ranges, allegedly in violation of NYC law? Go back to the original post and point out the supporting facts. That's how I can say it. I have no stake in this. I pointed out that OP leveled an accusation against YC and some "YC startups" claiming that their job postings did not include salary ranges "when law requires it." With not a single referenced job posting or example that just stands as an unfounded accusation. Again, no need to try to infer my motives or emotional state. Either the OP made an unsupported accusation or they did not. Easy enough to determine that from the post without projecting or speculating about my emotional state.