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This is so a US thing. In my country an adult is just expected to be able to look at a slide, judge it as dangerous, have te freedom to do it anyway, receive me

This is so a US thing. In my country an adult is just expected to be able to look at a slide, judge it as dangerous, have te freedom to do it anyway, receive medial help if needed, feel the shame, experienced a learning moment. Get laughed at, Laugh about it. In the US there is always a lawsuit and it's someone's fault. It always feels like a not-so-nice place to be. Then again it makes for great lawyer and medical series. Lots of emotions.

Swizec 4y ago
> In the US there is always a lawsuit and it's someone's fault When I broke my arm, the insurance company explicitly asked “Can we sue someone for this?” No damn it, do your job! I pay insurance so insurance can pay for shit like this.
xofer 4y ago
I'm in the US and for years wrote software for the medical industry. I was contracted by a European company to write an app, and of course filled it with disclaimers and extra clicks asking "Are you sure?" When I demoed it, they asked what all that crap was for. I said something like, "Umm, liability, duh." Their response: "Oh, we don't sue people for honest mistakes here."
- ido 4y ago
  I just want to mention this in case someone reads your comment and does something inadvisable: "European" is an insufficiently general term. Some countries in Europe are more litigious than others.
  - ghaff 4y ago
    Furthermore, while confirmation prompts can certainly be taken to an extreme (and they probably don't do much good if people get inured to just clicking "Yes"), they absolutely make sense for some operations.
- nickelcitymario 4y ago
  That's wild! I'm in Canada, which I generally consider to be much less litigious than the US and A, but we still cover our bases for liability all the time.
ghaff 4y ago
>This is so a US thing. It's also rather exaggerated. People get injured all the time doing all sorts of activities without lawyers getting involved. And actual findings of negligence have a fairly high bar although companies do sometimes make payments to make suits go away especially if they did something not by the book.
hotpotamus 4y ago
How much does it cost to repair a broken leg in your country? In the US it will probably be 5 figures, so getting it paid is a pretty big concern.
- bad416f1f5a2 4y ago
  And if you can't work due to your injury and are one of the many Americans who does not have paid time off, the best case for you is using FMLA to at least retain your job so you can work - but your absence won't be paid. Hopefully your emergency fund is higher than the American median of $2000.
- teekert 4y ago
  No idea I never saw any medical bill, I just pay my 100€ a month. I also pay about 50% income tax and 21% on just about anything I buy.
ilikecakeandpie 4y ago
>In the US there is always a lawsuit and it's someone's fault You can pretty much sue anyone for anything for sure, but there are big differences between criminal and civil law. A lot of cases come down to the "reasonable person standard" and what level of security should be inherently provided. Choosing to slide down a big crazy slide while standing up and hurting yourself probably fails the reasonable person standard, but choosing to slide down a big crazy slide while sitting and becoming injured because a piece of the slide breaks probably passes the reasonable person standard
gmac 4y ago
In the UK, you might not get the 'at own risk' sign, not because people aren't going to sue you, but because posting an 'at own risk' sign doesn't do a lot to change your liability. Whatever signs you post, it's still your responsibility to do everything you reasonably can to make sure it doesn't injure or kill people.
- ghaff 4y ago
  It's not clear how much these sorts of signs help. You're still liable if you were grossly negligent in some way. One place I've been told liability waivers are useful is with activities that can potentially be dangerous. It can make it harder to make a credible a claim that you didn't know you could have a fall while hiking harder. Though, honestly in most cases no one reads these things and, again, gross negligence on the part of a guide or other leader isn't absolved anyway.
quantumfissure 4y ago
It's usually way over exaggerated in the US. The "I'm suing for $50000000 because I was the stupid one" is rare, which is why it hits the news. While it's true we have lots of lawyers, you need them for everything from making wills to starting a business. They're not all criminal/civil and I'd be willing to bet that a lot have never seen the inside of a courtroom, they're just there to make sure all the T's are crossed and i's dotted properly in legal contracts. My company is rather small, but has four lawyers just to interpret EU to NA trademark/copyright/contracts/etc... When it comes to "who's actually more litigious", the US doesn't actually come close to Germany; Sweden; Israel; or Austria. "Here is a list of the top 5 most litigious countries by capita: 1. Germany: 123.2/1,000 2. Sweden: 111.2/1,000 3. Israel: 96.8/1,000 4. Austria: 95.9/1,000 5. U.S.: 74.5/1,000. The Top 10 also includes the UK (64.4); Denmark (62.5); Hungary (52.4); Portugal (40.7); and France (40.3)." https://eaccny.com/news/member-news/dont-let-these-10-legal-myths-stop-your-doing-business-in-the-u-s-myths-6-and-7-the-u-s-is-very-litigious-and-that-is-too-threatening-to-a-small-company-like-ours-as-a-result-the-risk/ https://eaccny.com/news/member-news/dont-let-these-10-legal-...
hooverd 4y ago
Sometimes a lawsuit is justified. There was a water slide in KCK that decapitated a kid in 2016. [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verr%C3%BCckt#Fatal_incident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verr%C3%BCckt#Fatal_incident
patch_cable 4y ago
I think sometimes (often?) in the US it is not the injured individual pursuing the lawsuit, but rather their private insurance company trying to recoup losses.

Swizec 4y ago

> In the US there is always a lawsuit and it's someone's fault When I broke my arm, the insurance company explicitly asked “Can we sue someone for this?” No damn it, do your job! I pay insurance so insurance can pay for shit like this.

xofer 4y ago

I'm in the US and for years wrote software for the medical industry. I was contracted by a European company to write an app, and of course filled it with disclaimers and extra clicks asking "Are you sure?" When I demoed it, they asked what all that crap was for. I said something like, "Umm, liability, duh." Their response: "Oh, we don't sue people for honest mistakes here."

ido 4y ago
I just want to mention this in case someone reads your comment and does something inadvisable: "European" is an insufficiently general term. Some countries in Europe are more litigious than others.
- ghaff 4y ago
  Furthermore, while confirmation prompts can certainly be taken to an extreme (and they probably don't do much good if people get inured to just clicking "Yes"), they absolutely make sense for some operations.
nickelcitymario 4y ago
That's wild! I'm in Canada, which I generally consider to be much less litigious than the US and A, but we still cover our bases for liability all the time.

ghaff 4y ago

>This is so a US thing. It's also rather exaggerated. People get injured all the time doing all sorts of activities without lawyers getting involved. And actual findings of negligence have a fairly high bar although companies do sometimes make payments to make suits go away especially if they did something not by the book.

hotpotamus 4y ago

How much does it cost to repair a broken leg in your country? In the US it will probably be 5 figures, so getting it paid is a pretty big concern.

bad416f1f5a2 4y ago
And if you can't work due to your injury and are one of the many Americans who does not have paid time off, the best case for you is using FMLA to at least retain your job so you can work - but your absence won't be paid. Hopefully your emergency fund is higher than the American median of $2000.
teekert 4y ago
No idea I never saw any medical bill, I just pay my 100€ a month. I also pay about 50% income tax and 21% on just about anything I buy.

ilikecakeandpie 4y ago

>In the US there is always a lawsuit and it's someone's fault You can pretty much sue anyone for anything for sure, but there are big differences between criminal and civil law. A lot of cases come down to the "reasonable person standard" and what level of security should be inherently provided. Choosing to slide down a big crazy slide while standing up and hurting yourself probably fails the reasonable person standard, but choosing to slide down a big crazy slide while sitting and becoming injured because a piece of the slide breaks probably passes the reasonable person standard

gmac 4y ago

In the UK, you might not get the 'at own risk' sign, not because people aren't going to sue you, but because posting an 'at own risk' sign doesn't do a lot to change your liability. Whatever signs you post, it's still your responsibility to do everything you reasonably can to make sure it doesn't injure or kill people.

ghaff 4y ago
It's not clear how much these sorts of signs help. You're still liable if you were grossly negligent in some way. One place I've been told liability waivers are useful is with activities that can potentially be dangerous. It can make it harder to make a credible a claim that you didn't know you could have a fall while hiking harder. Though, honestly in most cases no one reads these things and, again, gross negligence on the part of a guide or other leader isn't absolved anyway.

quantumfissure 4y ago

It's usually way over exaggerated in the US. The "I'm suing for $50000000 because I was the stupid one" is rare, which is why it hits the news. While it's true we have lots of lawyers, you need them for everything from making wills to starting a business. They're not all criminal/civil and I'd be willing to bet that a lot have never seen the inside of a courtroom, they're just there to make sure all the T's are crossed and i's dotted properly in legal contracts. My company is rather small, but has four lawyers just to interpret EU to NA trademark/copyright/contracts/etc... When it comes to "who's actually more litigious", the US doesn't actually come close to Germany; Sweden; Israel; or Austria. "Here is a list of the top 5 most litigious countries by capita: 1. Germany: 123.2/1,000 2. Sweden: 111.2/1,000 3. Israel: 96.8/1,000 4. Austria: 95.9/1,000 5. U.S.: 74.5/1,000. The Top 10 also includes the UK (64.4); Denmark (62.5); Hungary (52.4); Portugal (40.7); and France (40.3)." https://eaccny.com/news/member-news/dont-let-these-10-legal-myths-stop-your-doing-business-in-the-u-s-myths-6-and-7-the-u-s-is-very-litigious-and-that-is-too-threatening-to-a-small-company-like-ours-as-a-result-the-risk/ https://eaccny.com/news/member-news/dont-let-these-10-legal-...

hooverd 4y ago

Sometimes a lawsuit is justified. There was a water slide in KCK that decapitated a kid in 2016. [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verr%C3%BCckt#Fatal_incident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verr%C3%BCckt#Fatal_incident

patch_cable 4y ago

I think sometimes (often?) in the US it is not the injured individual pursuing the lawsuit, but rather their private insurance company trying to recoup losses.