Interesting. I seem to recall that for some healthcare systems and tobacco tax regimes, smokers were cheaper for society because they tended not to require such

Interesting. I seem to recall that for some healthcare systems and tobacco tax regimes, smokers were cheaper for society because they tended not to require such long retirement and palliative care, and they contributed quite a bit more tax, but I don't remember the details or the country now, I might be mistaken. What do New Zealand's numbers look like there? It's an interesting idea though. Would you think all recreational activities should be regulated under the lens of collectivism? Let's say recreational driving -- to the beach or to the ski slopes or to visit friends in another city, or just a good old fashioned road trip -- is there a case that be prohibited because automobile infrastructure and accidents are an enormous financial cost to society and are also one of the leading causes of death in young people?