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>Good thing Nvidia is finally getting some competition. On paper yea, but in practice it isn't really though. AMD 7900 series are cheaper than the super expens

>Good thing Nvidia is finally getting some competition. On paper yea, but in practice it isn't really though. AMD 7900 series are cheaper than the super expensive Nvidia 4090/4080, but only because they're weaker in several categories, so you're not getting any real benefits for the same money. Less price but also less performance. If you're doing DL/ML work, then Nvidia is still the only choice for most consumers/businesses. Also, industry insiders are reporting that the AMD 7900 reference cards at MSRP are in very limited supply, with most going to the US, and that once they sell out, which they will, the ABI board partners will bring a $100 price bump to bring them closer to Nvidia. Gamers aren't getting the salvation they were hoping for this time from AMD. It's not really a competition anymore, AMD is simply joining Nvidia in the club of price-gouging consumers too.

Night_Thastus 4y ago
"Several categories" is a bit hyperbole - it's raytracing. It's really just raytracing. You're getting identical rasterization performance at a lower cost. Now, that cost is still obscenely expensive and the 7900 XT (non X) is also terribly priced for the performance. So I'm not defending that. But I also don't use raytracing personally because in the current generations it just costs too much. I don't want to degrade and noise my image with DLSS/XESS/FSR/whatever just to get raytracing. So raytracing performance is low on my priorities.
- ChuckNorris89 4y ago
  >You're getting identical rasterization performance at a lower cost. Not that lower if you go beyond the MSRP which most people won't see in stock. Industry insiders are reporting ABI prices for the Radeon 7900 XTX on the shelf to be $100 higher than MSRP, while Nvidia is reportedly lowering the 4080 price by 100$ to meet them in that same $1,100 price-point. So in the end 7900XTX and 4080 are "the same performance for the same price" if you restrict yourself only to rasterization performance as your only metric and ignore the current bugs the AMD cards have and the extra ML/DL features Nvidia cards offer. They're still both $1,100 GPUs, far beyond what most gamers are willing to spend on a not-the-highest-end GPU, which makes me think they'll still not sell, as the whales are still going for the $1,600 4090 which is selling like hot cakes while the value chasing gamers are waiting for something much cheaper or buying cards one or two generations older at steeper discounts.

Night_Thastus 4y ago

"Several categories" is a bit hyperbole - it's raytracing. It's really just raytracing. You're getting identical rasterization performance at a lower cost. Now, that cost is still obscenely expensive and the 7900 XT (non X) is also terribly priced for the performance. So I'm not defending that. But I also don't use raytracing personally because in the current generations it just costs too much. I don't want to degrade and noise my image with DLSS/XESS/FSR/whatever just to get raytracing. So raytracing performance is low on my priorities.

ChuckNorris89 4y ago
>You're getting identical rasterization performance at a lower cost. Not that lower if you go beyond the MSRP which most people won't see in stock. Industry insiders are reporting ABI prices for the Radeon 7900 XTX on the shelf to be $100 higher than MSRP, while Nvidia is reportedly lowering the 4080 price by 100$ to meet them in that same $1,100 price-point. So in the end 7900XTX and 4080 are "the same performance for the same price" if you restrict yourself only to rasterization performance as your only metric and ignore the current bugs the AMD cards have and the extra ML/DL features Nvidia cards offer. They're still both $1,100 GPUs, far beyond what most gamers are willing to spend on a not-the-highest-end GPU, which makes me think they'll still not sell, as the whales are still going for the $1,600 4090 which is selling like hot cakes while the value chasing gamers are waiting for something much cheaper or buying cards one or two generations older at steeper discounts.