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You have the freedom to move your body in whatever way you please, until the point where your fist contacts someone's nose. I don't think anyone would argue thi

You have the freedom to move your body in whatever way you please, until the point where your fist contacts someone's nose. I don't think anyone would argue this is oppressive. In the same way, everyone had a right to participate in whatever kind of economic activity they please, until that becomes holding hostage the tools society needs to provide for itself. There's no law of physics which says society has to be changed through violence. In my lifetime I've seen the rights of LGBTQ people extended dramatically, and it hasn't been through violent means. Regarding whether violence is necessary to "enforce" a lack of private property, please see my response elsewhere in this thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33965787 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33965787 You're free to view me as too idealistic, you're entitled to your opinion and it doesn't disturb me, but I'd point out that the other side of this coin is being so cynical that you become blind to how society is changing and underestimate what is possible to achieve. Personally I think it's better to air on the side of optimism; I'd rather try and fail than to despair, and while cynicism can often have an aloof detachment that feels very intelligent, I think it's skin deep.

mytailorisrich 4y ago
I don't know what LGBTQ rights have to do with socialism. If anything they are the progression of enlightenment liberalism. Overall, I think your reply somewhat proves my point about idealism and denial of reality. And that's fine in principle but can have dangerous consequences (road to hell is paved with good intentions kind of thing).
- maxbond 4y ago
  It's an example of a successful social movement to bring about positive change without violence. You're entitled to feel however you like, if you want to express that as an argument I'm happy to respond to it, if you don't feel so moved than that's fine too. But if I don't know what about my response makes you say that, there's not really anything more for me to add. (If you do elaborate, I won't see it until tomorrow because I'm going to log off for the evening now.)

mytailorisrich 4y ago

I don't know what LGBTQ rights have to do with socialism. If anything they are the progression of enlightenment liberalism. Overall, I think your reply somewhat proves my point about idealism and denial of reality. And that's fine in principle but can have dangerous consequences (road to hell is paved with good intentions kind of thing).

maxbond 4y ago
It's an example of a successful social movement to bring about positive change without violence. You're entitled to feel however you like, if you want to express that as an argument I'm happy to respond to it, if you don't feel so moved than that's fine too. But if I don't know what about my response makes you say that, there's not really anything more for me to add. (If you do elaborate, I won't see it until tomorrow because I'm going to log off for the evening now.)