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> Most institutions provide very little signaling value. I don't think this is true. Most universities' signaling value is from the fact that they are accredi

> Most institutions provide very little signaling value. I don't think this is true. Most universities' signaling value is from the fact that they are accredited universities. They draw their signaling power for the institution of the university, maintained in part by the department of education. While I haven't checked recently if this survived, in the 2010s several universities offered their courses online and offered certificate of completion for $50-$300 per course. These kinds of programs fizzled because even if students did learn the material the certificates did not sufficiently signal to employers that the student had learned it. A friend of mine from one of these universities did an internal study showing that of those students who completed the equivalent of a bachelor's degree almost none found employment in their field. This result should be surprising if we think low tier universities have no signaling power. On a more conciliatory note; I generally agree VC ed-tech has been a boondoggle for similar reasons - a combination of misunderstanding education and realizing that no other part of education is monetizable enough to produce the kind of returns VCs want (barring certain extra-ordinary tech innovations that have not been forthcoming e.g. strong AI)

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> This result should be surprising if we think low tier universities have no signaling power. To me, it's not at all surprising that "got the [equivalent of a] degree but didn't have the normal level of interaction with faculty" results in a vastly different outcome. You're assuming that the credential itself is the signal. For regional economies in the US who hire primarily from regional universities, the credential often isn't the primary signal. They'll ask for a reference and actually talk with a faculty member listed. Colleges and especially individual faculty have ties to major regional employers. Those employers understand that output is more variable (in large part because input in more variable). Other employers don't know anything about the institution at all and are likely to bin the app for any role that isn't eg low-pay or pure commission. So the institution maintains relationships with alumni and others making hiring decisions at their "strategic" new grad employers, mostly regional small and medium sized companies. Frank assessments from trusted faculty play an important role in securing first placements. This is particularly true for (low-)paid internships, which are often the primary feeder for new grad positions. If I know that the institution has mixed output and my phone call to the professor listed as a reference is basically "they completed some online modules but we didn't interact much", then I will probably pass.

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> This result should be surprising if we think low tier universities have no signaling power. To me, it's not at all surprising that "got the [equivalent of a] degree but didn't have the normal level of interaction with faculty" results in a vastly different outcome. You're assuming that the credential itself is the signal. For regional economies in the US who hire primarily from regional universities, the credential often isn't the primary signal. They'll ask for a reference and actually talk with a faculty member listed. Colleges and especially individual faculty have ties to major regional employers. Those employers understand that output is more variable (in large part because input in more variable). Other employers don't know anything about the institution at all and are likely to bin the app for any role that isn't eg low-pay or pure commission. So the institution maintains relationships with alumni and others making hiring decisions at their "strategic" new grad employers, mostly regional small and medium sized companies. Frank assessments from trusted faculty play an important role in securing first placements. This is particularly true for (low-)paid internships, which are often the primary feeder for new grad positions. If I know that the institution has mixed output and my phone call to the professor listed as a reference is basically "they completed some online modules but we didn't interact much", then I will probably pass.