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Have you considered your neighbors' freedom at all?

yucky 4y ago
Absolutely! I also don't think that I should be able to band together with others to prevent my neighbors freedoms. As long as his actions don't cause me physical harm or deprive me of my property, why would I?
- clouddrover 4y ago
  > As long as his actions don't cause me physical harm or deprive me of my property So.. you're saying you want to limit his individual freedoms with like laws and rules and red tape and shit? You freedom hating bastard. I'd really recommend you learn your history. Your efforts at reinventing the legal system and government are not new ideas. People have thought about this before.
  - yucky 4y ago
    The Non-aggression principle answered the questions many years ago, it's worth a study. You may find yourself not being as authoritarian afterwards.
    - clouddrover 4y ago
      It isn't. Your utopia is utterly disconnected from practical realities and is unworkable.
      - yucky 4y ago
        It's not Utopian, of course many things would be more difficult without the constant threat of force. But the question was "is democracy compatible with freedom", and by definition it is not. How much you value democracy (and the constant threat of force) vs freedom is up to you, but we can't pretend they work well together. And we're seeing democracies being destabilized around the world now, even in the US.
        clouddrover 4y ago
        > But the question was "is democracy compatible with freedom", and by definition it is not. You're talking in circles. You say you want a rules based society and you believe that society is going to work by some form of magic. That is naive. The real world doesn't work by magic. I'll say it again: you need to learn your history. > And we're seeing democracies being destabilized around the world now, even in the US. Yes, deliberately undermined by, among other things, election deniers funded by Thiel.
        yucky 4y ago
        > But the question was "is democracy compatible with freedom", and by definition it is not. You keep skipping past this part, which was the question. I have no idea what election deniers have to do with anything. Maybe Thiel kicks puppies too, I dunno. It's just not relevant.
        clouddrover 4y ago
        Look, at this point you're not keeping up with your own comments.

Absolutely! I also don't think that I should be able to band together with others to prevent my neighbors freedoms. As long as his actions don't cause me physical harm or deprive me of my property, why would I?

clouddrover 4y ago
> As long as his actions don't cause me physical harm or deprive me of my property So.. you're saying you want to limit his individual freedoms with like laws and rules and red tape and shit? You freedom hating bastard. I'd really recommend you learn your history. Your efforts at reinventing the legal system and government are not new ideas. People have thought about this before.
- yucky 4y ago
  The Non-aggression principle answered the questions many years ago, it's worth a study. You may find yourself not being as authoritarian afterwards.
  - clouddrover 4y ago
    It isn't. Your utopia is utterly disconnected from practical realities and is unworkable.
    - yucky 4y ago
      It's not Utopian, of course many things would be more difficult without the constant threat of force. But the question was "is democracy compatible with freedom", and by definition it is not. How much you value democracy (and the constant threat of force) vs freedom is up to you, but we can't pretend they work well together. And we're seeing democracies being destabilized around the world now, even in the US.
      - clouddrover 4y ago
        > But the question was "is democracy compatible with freedom", and by definition it is not. You're talking in circles. You say you want a rules based society and you believe that society is going to work by some form of magic. That is naive. The real world doesn't work by magic. I'll say it again: you need to learn your history. > And we're seeing democracies being destabilized around the world now, even in the US. Yes, deliberately undermined by, among other things, election deniers funded by Thiel.
        yucky 4y ago
        > But the question was "is democracy compatible with freedom", and by definition it is not. You keep skipping past this part, which was the question. I have no idea what election deniers have to do with anything. Maybe Thiel kicks puppies too, I dunno. It's just not relevant.
        clouddrover 4y ago
        Look, at this point you're not keeping up with your own comments.