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he may have been left leaning before but that label seems debatable at best for the last couple years https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/10/what-happened-t

he may have been left leaning before but that label seems debatable at best for the last couple years https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/10/what-happened-to-matt-taibbi.html

parineum 4y ago
"left-leaning" and "Democrat" aren't synonymous. What are his right wing views? And don't conflate "right-wing" with things that Replublicans support.
- ss108 4y ago
  This is a pretty gaslighty comment. Clearly Democrats are left wing and Republicans are right wing, and ppl who are on those wings tend to vote for those respective parties. Are Democrats super far left? Not by international standards, no, but they are clearly to the left of Republicans.
  - parineum 4y ago
    > Clearly Democrats are left wing and Republicans are right wing Mostly. > ppl who are on those wings tend to vote for those respective parties Tend to but not always. Would a person who supports Universal healthcare, safe access to abortion and reducing their carbon foot print but also thinks immigration is an issue that needs addressing and supports the second amendment be left or right? Individuals are rarely going to fall in line and Taibi is no exception. > This is a pretty gaslighty comment. The narrative is that he's moved right somehow. I just want to know how. I'm sure if you asked him he'd say that the "left" has moved right and his opinion, that the left used to support, hasn't changed. If someone's going to say he's "moved right", I assume they have some reason to say that so I just want to know how, because I'm not sure if I see it (but I'm not intimately familiar with his positions). I don't believe Taibi has changed much at all, I think the a segment of the people who consider themselves "left" in the US have taken positions on some topics that he disagrees with and since he's being critical of them, he must be the opposite of them. Since they view themselves as "left", he must be "right" (and even worse, "far-right"!). He's not "moved right" because he's suddenly agreeing with Republicans, he's "moved right" because he's being critical of the "left".
    - Dudelander 4y ago
      > Would a person who supports Universal healthcare, safe access to abortion and reducing their carbon foot print but also thinks immigration is an issue that needs addressing and supports the second amendment be left or right? This isn't really what you said, you said "right-leaning and Republican" aren't synonyms, not that people don't fall neatly into the left/right dichotomy. The Republican party is objectively the right-leaning party of the US. If you're a journalist that mostly publishes articles aligning with Republicans talking points today, then it is fine to characterize that journalist as right-wing.
      - parineum 4y ago
        > If you're a journalist that mostly publishes articles aligning with Republicans talking points today, then it is fine to characterize that journalist as right-wing. I disagree. And I think you're missing the point of my plea to disambiguate "right" with "Republican". For example, without referring to a political party, explain to me how being pro second amendment is a right wing position. That may be a Republican position, but it's also a liberal argument (as in, part of the ideology of liberalism). From my understanding, Taibi is really only vocal about "cancel culture", which he is critical of and sees as an illiberal position of the left. He's concerned about it because he considers himself left. He's basically Bill Maher. That doesn't make him right wing.
        Dudelander 4y ago
        The terms "right-wing" and "left-wing" do not refer to objective philosophical positions. They literally referred to where French delegates sat in the National Assembly of 1789. Today they refer to a web of political alliances that are historically - as opposed to philosophically - determined. So to answer your question, being pro second amendment is a right wing position because most American politicians who consider themselves right-wing are pro second amendment.
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he may have been left leaning before but that label seems debatable at best for the last couple years https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/10/what-happened-to-matt-taibbi.html

parineum 4y ago

"left-leaning" and "Democrat" aren't synonymous. What are his right wing views? And don't conflate "right-wing" with things that Replublicans support.

ss108 4y ago
This is a pretty gaslighty comment. Clearly Democrats are left wing and Republicans are right wing, and ppl who are on those wings tend to vote for those respective parties. Are Democrats super far left? Not by international standards, no, but they are clearly to the left of Republicans.
- parineum 4y ago
  > Clearly Democrats are left wing and Republicans are right wing Mostly. > ppl who are on those wings tend to vote for those respective parties Tend to but not always. Would a person who supports Universal healthcare, safe access to abortion and reducing their carbon foot print but also thinks immigration is an issue that needs addressing and supports the second amendment be left or right? Individuals are rarely going to fall in line and Taibi is no exception. > This is a pretty gaslighty comment. The narrative is that he's moved right somehow. I just want to know how. I'm sure if you asked him he'd say that the "left" has moved right and his opinion, that the left used to support, hasn't changed. If someone's going to say he's "moved right", I assume they have some reason to say that so I just want to know how, because I'm not sure if I see it (but I'm not intimately familiar with his positions). I don't believe Taibi has changed much at all, I think the a segment of the people who consider themselves "left" in the US have taken positions on some topics that he disagrees with and since he's being critical of them, he must be the opposite of them. Since they view themselves as "left", he must be "right" (and even worse, "far-right"!). He's not "moved right" because he's suddenly agreeing with Republicans, he's "moved right" because he's being critical of the "left".
  - Dudelander 4y ago
    > Would a person who supports Universal healthcare, safe access to abortion and reducing their carbon foot print but also thinks immigration is an issue that needs addressing and supports the second amendment be left or right? This isn't really what you said, you said "right-leaning and Republican" aren't synonyms, not that people don't fall neatly into the left/right dichotomy. The Republican party is objectively the right-leaning party of the US. If you're a journalist that mostly publishes articles aligning with Republicans talking points today, then it is fine to characterize that journalist as right-wing.
    - parineum 4y ago
      > If you're a journalist that mostly publishes articles aligning with Republicans talking points today, then it is fine to characterize that journalist as right-wing. I disagree. And I think you're missing the point of my plea to disambiguate "right" with "Republican". For example, without referring to a political party, explain to me how being pro second amendment is a right wing position. That may be a Republican position, but it's also a liberal argument (as in, part of the ideology of liberalism). From my understanding, Taibi is really only vocal about "cancel culture", which he is critical of and sees as an illiberal position of the left. He's concerned about it because he considers himself left. He's basically Bill Maher. That doesn't make him right wing.
      - Dudelander 4y ago
        The terms "right-wing" and "left-wing" do not refer to objective philosophical positions. They literally referred to where French delegates sat in the National Assembly of 1789. Today they refer to a web of political alliances that are historically - as opposed to philosophically - determined. So to answer your question, being pro second amendment is a right wing position because most American politicians who consider themselves right-wing are pro second amendment.
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