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Not if fusion would cost orders of magnitude more than storage. "All the problems associated with" what? Modern batteries don't burst into flame. Anyway the ov

Not if fusion would cost orders of magnitude more than storage. "All the problems associated with" what? Modern batteries don't burst into flame. Anyway the overwhelming bulk of storage is not and will not be chemical batteries.

voqv 4y ago
> "All the problems associated with" what? Economic challenges of quickly building grid-scale battery storage , battery production for the entire globe, NIMBY's etc. > Modern batteries don't burst into flame they literally do > the overwhelming bulk of storage is not batteries Well overwhelming bulk is a high bar and storage is geography dependent. Germany f.e. can't build as much pumped storage as Australia and Australia built a large amount of battery storage vs PSH.
- Brometheus 4y ago
  Germany can has and will very well be building hydrogen and compressed air storage.
  - voqv 4y ago
    Well they certainly say they will, not sure about the rest.
- moloch-hai 4y ago
  Germany has an overabundance of hills. Most places do. But pumped storage is just one of many options Modern batteries do not burn. Teslas do.
  - MaxBarraclough 4y ago
    It's a problem with lithium batteries in general, not just Tesla. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/12/recycling-firm-fined-after-tossed-batteries-cause-garbage-truck-fires/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/12/recycling-firm-fined...
    - moloch-hai 4y ago
      Lithium-ion batteries burn. But the topic was "modern batteries", which at the instant moment means LiFeP batteries, not "previous-generation batteries". Lithium is anyway not favored for use in utility-scale storage, where its light weight offers no compelling value. Up-and-coming chemistries include iron-air (no explosions), calcium-antimony (no explosions), and bromine-zinc (no explosions). Hundreds of other chemistries are available.
  - voqv 4y ago
    > an overabundance of hills. That's not sufficient for pumped storage at scale, but Germany is mostly focusing on hydrogen for now.

voqv 4y ago

> "All the problems associated with" what? Economic challenges of quickly building grid-scale battery storage , battery production for the entire globe, NIMBY's etc. > Modern batteries don't burst into flame they literally do > the overwhelming bulk of storage is not batteries Well overwhelming bulk is a high bar and storage is geography dependent. Germany f.e. can't build as much pumped storage as Australia and Australia built a large amount of battery storage vs PSH.

Brometheus 4y ago
Germany can has and will very well be building hydrogen and compressed air storage.
- voqv 4y ago
  Well they certainly say they will, not sure about the rest.
moloch-hai 4y ago
Germany has an overabundance of hills. Most places do. But pumped storage is just one of many options Modern batteries do not burn. Teslas do.
- MaxBarraclough 4y ago
  It's a problem with lithium batteries in general, not just Tesla. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/12/recycling-firm-fined-after-tossed-batteries-cause-garbage-truck-fires/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/12/recycling-firm-fined...
  - moloch-hai 4y ago
    Lithium-ion batteries burn. But the topic was "modern batteries", which at the instant moment means LiFeP batteries, not "previous-generation batteries". Lithium is anyway not favored for use in utility-scale storage, where its light weight offers no compelling value. Up-and-coming chemistries include iron-air (no explosions), calcium-antimony (no explosions), and bromine-zinc (no explosions). Hundreds of other chemistries are available.
- voqv 4y ago
  > an overabundance of hills. That's not sufficient for pumped storage at scale, but Germany is mostly focusing on hydrogen for now.