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I mean the timing sucks, but really the question that would be running through my mind is what kind of company culture is encouraging folks to work at 3am on Ne

I mean the timing sucks, but really the question that would be running through my mind is what kind of company culture is encouraging folks to work at 3am on New Years Day? There shouldn't be much more than a skeleton crew of Ops folks available on-call on major holidays at a sane company.

regularjack 4y ago
GitLab is a remote company, 3am is 5pm somewhere.
- voidfunc 4y ago
  It doesn't matter. Everywhere in the civilized business world Jan 1 is a day off and often Jan 2 is as well. Why is someone working on Jan 1 or 2?
  - tayo42 4y ago
    The 2nd is never a day off in the US. The 1st is new years the day, the only official holiday.
    - jvergeldedios 4y ago
      Except, of course, this upcoming Jan 2[0]. [0] https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/pay-leave/federal-holidays/#url=2023 https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/pay-leave/federal-...
    - toast0 4y ago
      The rose parade is on the 2nd if the 1st is a sunday. That makes it at least an unofficial holiday. I recall generally getting an alternate day off for 'new years day' if the 1st was on a weekend. Maybe somewhere with a different calendar entrenched might not care so much about Jan 1 though.
    - voidfunc 4y ago
      Wrong.
    - CoachRufus87 4y ago
      uh, its going to be the 2nd in 2023 https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/pay-leave/federal-holidays/#url=2023 https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/pay-leave/federal-...
      - tayo42 4y ago
        Lol ofcouse this year eve and day are on the weekend.
    - nibbleshifter 4y ago
      As a general rule: expect nothing much at all from people between (roughly) Dec 21st and January 4th. It is a 2 week period where fuck all tends to get dome because somebody, somewhere is on PTO or otherwise unavailable.
  - __ryan__ 4y ago
    > Everywhere in the civilized business world Jan 1 is a day off and often Jan 2 is as well. No.
    - denkmoon 4y ago
      Note the "civilised" qualifier.
      - 8n4vidtmkvmk 4y ago
        still sounds offensive. are asians uncivilized?
        voidfunc 4y ago
        Asian's themselves? No. Work culture in Asia though is IMO uncivilized. There's a culture of overwork and workplace abuse in many Asian countries.
        Jensson 4y ago
        Not every country celebrates new year at January 1.
- maxbond 4y ago
  ETA: I would assume this is an isolated incident of calling people at 3am until given more evidence to the contrary. Being cognizant of other people's timezones/work schedules is an important part of remote work. If you call me at 3am, it'd better be urgent.
  - Gigachad 4y ago
    It’s probably safe to say they didn’t knowingly/intentionally call at 3AM.
    - maxbond 4y ago
      ETA: I would assume this is an isolated incident of calling people at 3am until given more evidence to the contrary. Agreed (and the GitLab person in a sibling thread said this as well), but I'm just saying, being a remote-first company should make you less likely to do this, not more. It'd be more understandable to me if they generally hired from a narrow window of timezones and recently expanded to hire from anywhere.
      - lubos 4y ago
        > I'm just saying, being a remote-first company should may you less likely to do this, not more https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faulty_generalization https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faulty_generalization
        maxbond 4y ago
        ETA: I think I see now, you're thinking that I am suggesting this is a comment on GitLab at large, when it's more likely an isolated incident. I would agree with that. I didn't mean to imply otherwise, but I understand how it came off that way. You're saying that I am generalizing too broadly from my experience working remotely? Just linking articles like this is kinda unhelpful, I'd prefer if you stated what your objection was, rather than leaving me to guess and to make your argument for you. That might not be as dramatic as linking an article like a mic drop but it's more productive and prevents misunderstandings. What I'm saying is that in a remote company (distributed across many timezones anyway), you encounter this situation regularly. So you'd expect the culture of those companies to be prepared for this situation. If I'm missing something in that analysis, I'm happy to be corrected on it. (I'd point out this was exactly the kind of confusion I was talking about. We had different ideas about what argument I was making, so when I tried to interpret what your criticism was, I guessed wrong.)

regularjack 4y ago

GitLab is a remote company, 3am is 5pm somewhere.

voidfunc 4y ago
It doesn't matter. Everywhere in the civilized business world Jan 1 is a day off and often Jan 2 is as well. Why is someone working on Jan 1 or 2?
- tayo42 4y ago
  The 2nd is never a day off in the US. The 1st is new years the day, the only official holiday.
  - jvergeldedios 4y ago
    Except, of course, this upcoming Jan 2[0]. [0] https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/pay-leave/federal-holidays/#url=2023 https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/pay-leave/federal-...
  - toast0 4y ago
    The rose parade is on the 2nd if the 1st is a sunday. That makes it at least an unofficial holiday. I recall generally getting an alternate day off for 'new years day' if the 1st was on a weekend. Maybe somewhere with a different calendar entrenched might not care so much about Jan 1 though.
  - voidfunc 4y ago
    Wrong.
  - CoachRufus87 4y ago
    uh, its going to be the 2nd in 2023 https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/pay-leave/federal-holidays/#url=2023 https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/pay-leave/federal-...
    - tayo42 4y ago
      Lol ofcouse this year eve and day are on the weekend.
  - nibbleshifter 4y ago
    As a general rule: expect nothing much at all from people between (roughly) Dec 21st and January 4th. It is a 2 week period where fuck all tends to get dome because somebody, somewhere is on PTO or otherwise unavailable.
- __ryan__ 4y ago
  > Everywhere in the civilized business world Jan 1 is a day off and often Jan 2 is as well. No.
  - denkmoon 4y ago
    Note the "civilised" qualifier.
    - 8n4vidtmkvmk 4y ago
      still sounds offensive. are asians uncivilized?
      - voidfunc 4y ago
        Asian's themselves? No. Work culture in Asia though is IMO uncivilized. There's a culture of overwork and workplace abuse in many Asian countries.
        Jensson 4y ago
        Not every country celebrates new year at January 1.
maxbond 4y ago
ETA: I would assume this is an isolated incident of calling people at 3am until given more evidence to the contrary. Being cognizant of other people's timezones/work schedules is an important part of remote work. If you call me at 3am, it'd better be urgent.
- Gigachad 4y ago
  It’s probably safe to say they didn’t knowingly/intentionally call at 3AM.
  - maxbond 4y ago
    ETA: I would assume this is an isolated incident of calling people at 3am until given more evidence to the contrary. Agreed (and the GitLab person in a sibling thread said this as well), but I'm just saying, being a remote-first company should make you less likely to do this, not more. It'd be more understandable to me if they generally hired from a narrow window of timezones and recently expanded to hire from anywhere.
    - lubos 4y ago
      > I'm just saying, being a remote-first company should may you less likely to do this, not more https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faulty_generalization https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faulty_generalization
      - maxbond 4y ago
        ETA: I think I see now, you're thinking that I am suggesting this is a comment on GitLab at large, when it's more likely an isolated incident. I would agree with that. I didn't mean to imply otherwise, but I understand how it came off that way. You're saying that I am generalizing too broadly from my experience working remotely? Just linking articles like this is kinda unhelpful, I'd prefer if you stated what your objection was, rather than leaving me to guess and to make your argument for you. That might not be as dramatic as linking an article like a mic drop but it's more productive and prevents misunderstandings. What I'm saying is that in a remote company (distributed across many timezones anyway), you encounter this situation regularly. So you'd expect the culture of those companies to be prepared for this situation. If I'm missing something in that analysis, I'm happy to be corrected on it. (I'd point out this was exactly the kind of confusion I was talking about. We had different ideas about what argument I was making, so when I tried to interpret what your criticism was, I guessed wrong.)