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Seems like a lot of streamers think that streaming = not working. By the time they realize streaming is a job, they're burnt out. I respect the hell out of Lud

Seems like a lot of streamers think that streaming = not working. By the time they realize streaming is a job, they're burnt out. I respect the hell out of Ludwig for this. He treats streaming like a business, and his success speaks for itself. He doesn't foster parasocial relationships, and he avoids as much of the petty streamer drama that he possibly can. He's now transitioned towards large productions that draw in greater numbers of viewers. The huge streamers making six figures or more have more than enough money to hire personal trainers, therapists, and personal assistants to help manage their daily life. I feel very little sympathy for millionaires who commentate Youtube all day for a living for being incapable of managing their own lives like adults.

enlyth 4y ago
I respect Forsen for similar reasons, always stays out of drama, predictable schedule, and the community ("bajs") are one of the funniest on the internet.
- govg 4y ago
  Forsen feels like one of those meta content creators on Twitch where his fans and his name have become more famous than his content primarily.
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Retric 4y ago
Fame is often fleeting which pushes people to try and save for a rainy day even if they are pulling in 6 figures. Adam Ragusea a quite successful YouTuber mentioned being quite burned out because he was doing almost everything for his videos, but said he’s also got 1 million in savings from a job that could go away at any time. For a 40 year old with a family that means a lot if things fall apart. At the other end Hacksmith doubled down on building a team and poring everything into making more videos. So now he’s now overworked and depressed, while trying to manage and pay a team. There is something of a middle ground, but the odds of long term success aren’t very good.
- langsoul-com 4y ago
  Hacksmith isn't the best counter example. Because he accidentally built himself a business and team that can fully operate without him. And he, the business owner, would still earn revenue.
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  - Retric 4y ago
    The owner only gets to step aside if the company is profitable which hasn’t happened yet. It might end up as a profitable company, but right now things are quite risky.
cortesoft 4y ago
It does all seem to come down to, "there is no such thing as a free lunch" Making money takes work, no matter what you do. If it doesn't take work, then lots of people will do it, the market is flooded, and it won't make much money anymore. This is simply unavoidable.
thatfrenchguy 4y ago
> I feel very little sympathy for millionaires who commentate Youtube all day for a living for being incapable of managing their own lives like adults. I mean, both getting yourself to the point (especially if you were not born upper class) where you realize you need a therapist/trainer/personal assistant and actually finding good people at those is incredibly difficult.
cttet 4y ago
Ludwig's fan interaction is still too para-social IMO, despite him trying to step away from it. In some sense Sykkyno would be a better example who actually distances himself really away from over interactions with fans and seems really in control of his life.

enlyth 4y ago

I respect Forsen for similar reasons, always stays out of drama, predictable schedule, and the community ("bajs") are one of the funniest on the internet.

govg 4y ago
Forsen feels like one of those meta content creators on Twitch where his fans and his name have become more famous than his content primarily.

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Retric 4y ago

Fame is often fleeting which pushes people to try and save for a rainy day even if they are pulling in 6 figures. Adam Ragusea a quite successful YouTuber mentioned being quite burned out because he was doing almost everything for his videos, but said he’s also got 1 million in savings from a job that could go away at any time. For a 40 year old with a family that means a lot if things fall apart. At the other end Hacksmith doubled down on building a team and poring everything into making more videos. So now he’s now overworked and depressed, while trying to manage and pay a team. There is something of a middle ground, but the odds of long term success aren’t very good.

langsoul-com 4y ago
Hacksmith isn't the best counter example. Because he accidentally built himself a business and team that can fully operate without him. And he, the business owner, would still earn revenue.
- deleted 4y ago
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- Retric 4y ago
  The owner only gets to step aside if the company is profitable which hasn’t happened yet. It might end up as a profitable company, but right now things are quite risky.

cortesoft 4y ago

It does all seem to come down to, "there is no such thing as a free lunch" Making money takes work, no matter what you do. If it doesn't take work, then lots of people will do it, the market is flooded, and it won't make much money anymore. This is simply unavoidable.

thatfrenchguy 4y ago

> I feel very little sympathy for millionaires who commentate Youtube all day for a living for being incapable of managing their own lives like adults. I mean, both getting yourself to the point (especially if you were not born upper class) where you realize you need a therapist/trainer/personal assistant and actually finding good people at those is incredibly difficult.

cttet 4y ago

Ludwig's fan interaction is still too para-social IMO, despite him trying to step away from it. In some sense Sykkyno would be a better example who actually distances himself really away from over interactions with fans and seems really in control of his life.