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He is a much bigger "prize" for the prosecution. She had low profile and not all that well known to the electorate. Plus, prosecuting her may not even look all

He is a much bigger "prize" for the prosecution. She had low profile and not all that well known to the electorate. Plus, prosecuting her may not even look all that good, for identity politics reasons. If she cooperated first, there is a good chance of immunity or very low sentence.

sheepscreek 4y ago
Yep. And he lives in a $40M penthouse apartment overlooking the ocean. That is sure to get people riled up (a jury - if it every goes to trial).
CydeWeys 4y ago
> Plus, prosecuting her may not even look all that good, for identity politics reasons. Strongly disagree with this. Look at how they threw the book at Elizabeth Holmes (vs, say, Adam Neumann, or any other male founder from the last decade plus). If anything women have been getting it harder.
- bloodyplonker22 4y ago
  Adam Neumann did not even commit a crime. The only "crime" he committed was being such a great salesperson to VCs and getting a ridiculous valuation from them. This comparison is ridiculous.
- nordsieck 4y ago
  > Strongly disagree with this. Look at how they threw the book at Elizabeth Holmes (vs, say, Adam Neumann, or any other male founder from the last decade plus). There are plenty of male founders who got popped for fraud. Trevor Milton (of Nikola infamy) is an easy one that comes to mind.
- stickfigure 4y ago
  Neumann was never accused of a crime. Jeff Skilling (Enron) served 12 years. Ken Lay (Enron) died before sentencing, but was facing up to 45 years. Bernard Ebbers (Worldcom) served 13 years.
- akiselev 4y ago
  IIRC Adam Neumann’s infraction was owning many of the properties leased to WeWork for above market prices. IANAL but that’s not a crime as long as he was upfront with investors about it, even if they never bothered to read that page of due diligence.
- vba616 4y ago
  >vs, say, Adam Neumann I can't think of a reason offhand to compare her to Neumann and not Sunny Balwani. Can you explain further?
  - michaelt 4y ago
    Neumann scammed chump investors out of a bunch of money in ways that were legal, but would have been illegal at a publicly traded company. For example, selling some of his wework shares, buying office buildings, then leasing the buildings back to wework at above-market rates. Registering the 'We' trademark for himself then selling it to wework. That would be illegal due to being a conflict of interest, were the company publicly traded - but it wasn't. (There was also drug use and sexual assault claims)
    - vba616 4y ago
      ...aaaand? Were you going to compare him to the other two?
- alvah 4y ago
  What an awful take. Holmes' (male) co-founder got a longer sentence than she did, just for a start.
  - notch656a 4y ago
    - rippercushions 4y ago
      C'mon, that's a bit rude, she's a sultry wood nymph after all. https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/z00scd/whats_going_on_with_the_sultry_wood_nymph_meme/ https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/z00scd/whats_...
    - shapefrog 4y ago
      Before filing for bankrupcy, she was the Queen of Crypto - "Is Caroline Single - we would have the best Crypto babies". Turned quickly to "she is ugly" when she wasnt a billionaire CEO of the biggest crypto hedge fund in the world. Crypto men can add speed running traditional finance gold digging to the list of accomplishments.
    - dang 4y ago
      Ok, that's quite enough. We've banned this account for repeatedly posting flamebait and ignoring our many requests to stop. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

sheepscreek 4y ago

Yep. And he lives in a $40M penthouse apartment overlooking the ocean. That is sure to get people riled up (a jury - if it every goes to trial).

CydeWeys 4y ago

> Plus, prosecuting her may not even look all that good, for identity politics reasons. Strongly disagree with this. Look at how they threw the book at Elizabeth Holmes (vs, say, Adam Neumann, or any other male founder from the last decade plus). If anything women have been getting it harder.

bloodyplonker22 4y ago
Adam Neumann did not even commit a crime. The only "crime" he committed was being such a great salesperson to VCs and getting a ridiculous valuation from them. This comparison is ridiculous.
nordsieck 4y ago
> Strongly disagree with this. Look at how they threw the book at Elizabeth Holmes (vs, say, Adam Neumann, or any other male founder from the last decade plus). There are plenty of male founders who got popped for fraud. Trevor Milton (of Nikola infamy) is an easy one that comes to mind.
stickfigure 4y ago
Neumann was never accused of a crime. Jeff Skilling (Enron) served 12 years. Ken Lay (Enron) died before sentencing, but was facing up to 45 years. Bernard Ebbers (Worldcom) served 13 years.
akiselev 4y ago
IIRC Adam Neumann’s infraction was owning many of the properties leased to WeWork for above market prices. IANAL but that’s not a crime as long as he was upfront with investors about it, even if they never bothered to read that page of due diligence.
vba616 4y ago
>vs, say, Adam Neumann I can't think of a reason offhand to compare her to Neumann and not Sunny Balwani. Can you explain further?
- michaelt 4y ago
  Neumann scammed chump investors out of a bunch of money in ways that were legal, but would have been illegal at a publicly traded company. For example, selling some of his wework shares, buying office buildings, then leasing the buildings back to wework at above-market rates. Registering the 'We' trademark for himself then selling it to wework. That would be illegal due to being a conflict of interest, were the company publicly traded - but it wasn't. (There was also drug use and sexual assault claims)
  - vba616 4y ago
    ...aaaand? Were you going to compare him to the other two?
alvah 4y ago
What an awful take. Holmes' (male) co-founder got a longer sentence than she did, just for a start.
- notch656a 4y ago
  - rippercushions 4y ago
    C'mon, that's a bit rude, she's a sultry wood nymph after all. https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/z00scd/whats_going_on_with_the_sultry_wood_nymph_meme/ https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/z00scd/whats_...
  - shapefrog 4y ago
    Before filing for bankrupcy, she was the Queen of Crypto - "Is Caroline Single - we would have the best Crypto babies". Turned quickly to "she is ugly" when she wasnt a billionaire CEO of the biggest crypto hedge fund in the world. Crypto men can add speed running traditional finance gold digging to the list of accomplishments.
  - dang 4y ago
    Ok, that's quite enough. We've banned this account for repeatedly posting flamebait and ignoring our many requests to stop. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html