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ZFS will never be mainlined so it’s beyond useless.

waynesonfire 4y ago
ZFS is widely used by many users and organizations. Just because it is not currently included in the Linux kernel does not mean that it is useless. There is ongoing work to integrate ZFS into the Linux kernel, and in the meantime, many users continue to find value in using ZFS on their systems. As an alternative, you could try using FreeBSD, which includes ZFS as part of the kernel. This can make it easier to take advantage of the features and benefits of ZFS without having to install and configure it separately. Additionally, because ZFS is integrated into the kernel, it can take advantage of FreeBSD's advanced security and performance features.
- WastingMyTime89 4y ago
  Enlighten me on how a filesystem with an incompatible license is ever going to be mainlined. Having to use an out-of-tree patchset is an immediate no as far as I’m concerned. I also have no intention of switching to an hobbyist operating system, thank you.
  - skyyler 4y ago
    You're already using a hobbyist operating system... Your horse isn't as high as you think.
    - WastingMyTime89 4y ago
      Linux hasn’t really been a hobbyist operating system for years as anyone taking even a casual glance at a list of contributors would know but sure let’s all pretend FreeBSD is somehow relevant or properly maintained. That’s probably in the same universe where ZFS has a chance of being mainlined and isn’t heavily encumbered by Oracle owned patents. Why people would contribute to this mess is beyond me but everyone is free to do what they want.
      - yjftsjthsd-h 4y ago
        > Linux hasn’t really been a hobbyist operating system for years as anyone taking even a casual glance at a list of contributors would know but sure let’s all pretend FreeBSD is somehow relevant or properly maintained. You haven't glanced at a list of FreeBSD's contributors, have you?
      - skyyler 4y ago
        You're pretending that FreeBSD isn't relevant... You're probably behind a pfsense firewall right now. You have probably seen someone playing games on a PlayStation 3 or 4. You've definitely benefitted from the FreeBSD project without even realising. Have you taken a casual glance at the list of FreeBSD contributors?
        WastingMyTime89 4y ago
        I know FreeBSD is used by Sony on its console, by Netflix and by WhatsApp. Everyone knows because they are pretty much the sole serious contributors to it. I don’t think it’s particularly relevant nor do I think it’s particularly good to be honest but we are getting far from the initial discussion about ZFS.
        skyyler 4y ago
        >Everyone knows because they are pretty much the sole serious contributors to it You haven't even looked at the list have you?
  - chasil 4y ago
    I recently tried out the Ubuntu native ZFS installation. I was surprised to see that it taints the kernel when I checked the demsg.
    - matja 4y ago
      Why is that surprising? It is a difference license. So is the Nvidia driver.
- viraptor 4y ago
  > There is ongoing work to integrate ZFS into the Linux kernel Could you paste a link to it, please? As far as I know, all efforts now are around ZoL which is not included for legal reasons.
  - tecleandor 4y ago
    BTW, ZoL is not anymore. ZoL and OpenZFS merged and it's all OpenZFS, sharing a codebase.
helf 4y ago
Not mainlined = useless? Ok.
iwillbenice 4y ago
yjftsjthsd-h 4y ago
DKMS is fine, and Ubuntu even ships prebuilt .ko files; it works fine in practice.
blibble 4y ago
I'll dump Linux before I dump ZFS
mekster 4y ago
What's wrong with loading the module yourself? Ubuntu is just a command away to get it running with installing zfsutils-linux. How's that beyond useless?

ZFS is widely used by many users and organizations. Just because it is not currently included in the Linux kernel does not mean that it is useless. There is ongoing work to integrate ZFS into the Linux kernel, and in the meantime, many users continue to find value in using ZFS on their systems. As an alternative, you could try using FreeBSD, which includes ZFS as part of the kernel. This can make it easier to take advantage of the features and benefits of ZFS without having to install and configure it separately. Additionally, because ZFS is integrated into the kernel, it can take advantage of FreeBSD's advanced security and performance features.

WastingMyTime89 4y ago
Enlighten me on how a filesystem with an incompatible license is ever going to be mainlined. Having to use an out-of-tree patchset is an immediate no as far as I’m concerned. I also have no intention of switching to an hobbyist operating system, thank you.
- skyyler 4y ago
  You're already using a hobbyist operating system... Your horse isn't as high as you think.
  - WastingMyTime89 4y ago
    Linux hasn’t really been a hobbyist operating system for years as anyone taking even a casual glance at a list of contributors would know but sure let’s all pretend FreeBSD is somehow relevant or properly maintained. That’s probably in the same universe where ZFS has a chance of being mainlined and isn’t heavily encumbered by Oracle owned patents. Why people would contribute to this mess is beyond me but everyone is free to do what they want.
    - yjftsjthsd-h 4y ago
      > Linux hasn’t really been a hobbyist operating system for years as anyone taking even a casual glance at a list of contributors would know but sure let’s all pretend FreeBSD is somehow relevant or properly maintained. You haven't glanced at a list of FreeBSD's contributors, have you?
    - skyyler 4y ago
      You're pretending that FreeBSD isn't relevant... You're probably behind a pfsense firewall right now. You have probably seen someone playing games on a PlayStation 3 or 4. You've definitely benefitted from the FreeBSD project without even realising. Have you taken a casual glance at the list of FreeBSD contributors?
      - WastingMyTime89 4y ago
        I know FreeBSD is used by Sony on its console, by Netflix and by WhatsApp. Everyone knows because they are pretty much the sole serious contributors to it. I don’t think it’s particularly relevant nor do I think it’s particularly good to be honest but we are getting far from the initial discussion about ZFS.
        skyyler 4y ago
        >Everyone knows because they are pretty much the sole serious contributors to it You haven't even looked at the list have you?
- chasil 4y ago
  I recently tried out the Ubuntu native ZFS installation. I was surprised to see that it taints the kernel when I checked the demsg.
  - matja 4y ago
    Why is that surprising? It is a difference license. So is the Nvidia driver.
viraptor 4y ago
> There is ongoing work to integrate ZFS into the Linux kernel Could you paste a link to it, please? As far as I know, all efforts now are around ZoL which is not included for legal reasons.
- tecleandor 4y ago
  BTW, ZoL is not anymore. ZoL and OpenZFS merged and it's all OpenZFS, sharing a codebase.

helf 4y ago

Not mainlined = useless? Ok.

iwillbenice 4y ago

yjftsjthsd-h 4y ago

DKMS is fine, and Ubuntu even ships prebuilt .ko files; it works fine in practice.

blibble 4y ago

I'll dump Linux before I dump ZFS

mekster 4y ago

What's wrong with loading the module yourself? Ubuntu is just a command away to get it running with installing zfsutils-linux. How's that beyond useless?