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Former top Twitter official forced to leave home due to threats

33 points by mhoad 4y ago

sn0w_crash 4y ago
- badwolf 4y ago
  That's an incredibly deliberate misreading of that, but go off.
- TwiceCubed 4y ago
  How many pages of the paper have you read? Just the title? Do you even know what it concludes?
- anigbrowl 4y ago
  He didn't publish it. He tweeted a link to a news article about a court case, in which it was argued that a student-teacher relationship was unethical even though the student was over 18 (the court leaned toward yes, because teachers have power over students while they're enrolled at a school). Would you want me to judge your character based on the headlines of news stories you submit to HN?
  - sn0w_crash 4y ago
    If I was debating or even considering the ethics of sex with a student I would expect people to get upset, yes. It would require a severe disconnect from reality for me to think that they wouldn’t.
    - anigbrowl 4y ago
      Roth was not debating or considering the ethics of sex with a student (falsely implying one of his students), he tweeted a link to a news article about a court case involving unusual circumstances. Musk followed up the initial tweet (from a third party) by tweeting a page from Roth's dissertation, in which he wrote that services like Grindr (a gay dating app) should proactively develop online safety policies because it was very predictable that gay teens who use the internet might attempt to use the app. 'Underage people might use your adult dating app, so you should plan ahead for that' is not promoting the idea of underage people using the app any more than 'buy a fire extinguisher for your home' is advocating for arson.
- skuhn 4y ago
  So Yoel posted a link to an article published in Salon titled "Student-teacher sex: When is it OK?" which discusses the broad strokes of a legal case and is in no way advocating on behalf of pedophiles. In fact, the case discussed could not be pedophilic because the student in question was 18. In your mind this means that Yoel maybe doesn't deserve to be threatened, but still he should have expected this? So how about for yourself? You posted a link to a link to an innocuous article titled "Student-teacher sex: When is it OK?" What were you thinking?
xqcgrek2 4y ago
- anigbrowl 4y ago
  And how does that aphorism relate to this set of circumstances?
  - xqcgrek2 4y ago
    - mtmail 4y ago
      Can you elaborate? I don't understand what you're trying to say.
    - anigbrowl 4y ago
      Seems like you're just vagueposting to get attention. Bye.
TechBro8615 4y ago
I don't like the witch hunt culture no matter which direction it goes. This whole situation is cringe. However, I'm not convinced by the popular argument explaining why Musk is "wrong" - that he has a "responsibility" when speaking to his 120 million followers that is not shared by anyone he mentions in his speech. This seems arbitrarily restrictive at first glance, because it means anyone can speak about Musk, but he can't defend himself by speaking about them. For example, someone could join a panel on the NYT to accuse Musk of cultivating hate speech. They could nudge a political effort to manufacture outrage as part of a campaign to persuade Apple and Google to remove Twitter from the app store. Shouldn't Musk be able to respond to those claims with his own megaphone? He's being personally attacked and has the moral right to defend himself - including by attacking the credibility of his opponent. You can think he's tasteless or classless or even liable to be sued for defamation. But the premise of the argument shouldn't be that he has some extra responsibility not shared by anyone else. He's not an elected official or a head of state. He has the same responsibilities and risk of consequence that anyone else has, relative to the scale where he chooses to operate.
- anigbrowl 4y ago
  Instead of cooking up hypothetical circumstances in which Musk is a hapless victim, how about we examine the actual situation where he and others are insinuating that this Roth guy was promoting pedophilia (he wasn't), and the fact that Twitter isn't consistently removing obvious and explicit death threats. Edit: for context, here's a collection of threat examples from a fairly well-known researcher who regularly catalogs botnets and fake follower accumulation on Twitter: https://twitter.com/conspirator0/status/1601681990071521281 https://twitter.com/conspirator0/status/1601681990071521281
  - joegahona 4y ago
    Thanks for sharing that link. I do wish people who share tweets from the "far-right mob" would share more context. These looks like bots with zero reach that could've easily been created by 4chan dipshits trying to build a case _against_ Musk, as was the case shortly after Musk took over and we saw a surge in hate speech. TheNoticing1: Joined November 2022 SoCallFreedom09: Joined November 2022 Ajinkya: Joined April 2017, 20 followers alec51100718: account suspended FarCue13%: Joined June 2022 DualityofHan: account suspended I'm in no way defending what Musk did to Roth and find it despicable. Roth was not promoting pedophilia, and Musk insinuated he was.
neighbour 4y ago
- dang 4y ago
  This sort of personal attack + ideological battle comment will get you banned here. Please don't do it again, regardless of who you have a problem with or which ideology you favor/disfavor. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

33 points by mhoad 4y ago

sn0w_crash 4y ago

badwolf 4y ago
That's an incredibly deliberate misreading of that, but go off.
TwiceCubed 4y ago
How many pages of the paper have you read? Just the title? Do you even know what it concludes?
anigbrowl 4y ago
He didn't publish it. He tweeted a link to a news article about a court case, in which it was argued that a student-teacher relationship was unethical even though the student was over 18 (the court leaned toward yes, because teachers have power over students while they're enrolled at a school). Would you want me to judge your character based on the headlines of news stories you submit to HN?
- sn0w_crash 4y ago
  If I was debating or even considering the ethics of sex with a student I would expect people to get upset, yes. It would require a severe disconnect from reality for me to think that they wouldn’t.
  - anigbrowl 4y ago
    Roth was not debating or considering the ethics of sex with a student (falsely implying one of his students), he tweeted a link to a news article about a court case involving unusual circumstances. Musk followed up the initial tweet (from a third party) by tweeting a page from Roth's dissertation, in which he wrote that services like Grindr (a gay dating app) should proactively develop online safety policies because it was very predictable that gay teens who use the internet might attempt to use the app. 'Underage people might use your adult dating app, so you should plan ahead for that' is not promoting the idea of underage people using the app any more than 'buy a fire extinguisher for your home' is advocating for arson.
skuhn 4y ago
So Yoel posted a link to an article published in Salon titled "Student-teacher sex: When is it OK?" which discusses the broad strokes of a legal case and is in no way advocating on behalf of pedophiles. In fact, the case discussed could not be pedophilic because the student in question was 18. In your mind this means that Yoel maybe doesn't deserve to be threatened, but still he should have expected this? So how about for yourself? You posted a link to a link to an innocuous article titled "Student-teacher sex: When is it OK?" What were you thinking?

xqcgrek2 4y ago

anigbrowl 4y ago
And how does that aphorism relate to this set of circumstances?
- xqcgrek2 4y ago
  - mtmail 4y ago
    Can you elaborate? I don't understand what you're trying to say.
  - anigbrowl 4y ago
    Seems like you're just vagueposting to get attention. Bye.

TechBro8615 4y ago

I don't like the witch hunt culture no matter which direction it goes. This whole situation is cringe. However, I'm not convinced by the popular argument explaining why Musk is "wrong" - that he has a "responsibility" when speaking to his 120 million followers that is not shared by anyone he mentions in his speech. This seems arbitrarily restrictive at first glance, because it means anyone can speak about Musk, but he can't defend himself by speaking about them. For example, someone could join a panel on the NYT to accuse Musk of cultivating hate speech. They could nudge a political effort to manufacture outrage as part of a campaign to persuade Apple and Google to remove Twitter from the app store. Shouldn't Musk be able to respond to those claims with his own megaphone? He's being personally attacked and has the moral right to defend himself - including by attacking the credibility of his opponent. You can think he's tasteless or classless or even liable to be sued for defamation. But the premise of the argument shouldn't be that he has some extra responsibility not shared by anyone else. He's not an elected official or a head of state. He has the same responsibilities and risk of consequence that anyone else has, relative to the scale where he chooses to operate.

anigbrowl 4y ago
Instead of cooking up hypothetical circumstances in which Musk is a hapless victim, how about we examine the actual situation where he and others are insinuating that this Roth guy was promoting pedophilia (he wasn't), and the fact that Twitter isn't consistently removing obvious and explicit death threats. Edit: for context, here's a collection of threat examples from a fairly well-known researcher who regularly catalogs botnets and fake follower accumulation on Twitter: https://twitter.com/conspirator0/status/1601681990071521281 https://twitter.com/conspirator0/status/1601681990071521281
- joegahona 4y ago
  Thanks for sharing that link. I do wish people who share tweets from the "far-right mob" would share more context. These looks like bots with zero reach that could've easily been created by 4chan dipshits trying to build a case _against_ Musk, as was the case shortly after Musk took over and we saw a surge in hate speech. TheNoticing1: Joined November 2022 SoCallFreedom09: Joined November 2022 Ajinkya: Joined April 2017, 20 followers alec51100718: account suspended FarCue13%: Joined June 2022 DualityofHan: account suspended I'm in no way defending what Musk did to Roth and find it despicable. Roth was not promoting pedophilia, and Musk insinuated he was.

neighbour 4y ago

dang 4y ago
This sort of personal attack + ideological battle comment will get you banned here. Please don't do it again, regardless of who you have a problem with or which ideology you favor/disfavor. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html