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my experience has been that non of these solutions provide enough control granularity, and i keep coming back to d3.js (or other libraries like deck.gl) and bui

my experience has been that non of these solutions provide enough control granularity, and i keep coming back to d3.js (or other libraries like deck.gl) and building my own UI.

taeric 4y ago
In a similar vein, my experience is that most visualizations that people are commonly making are reaching for what is available in R. https://r-graph-gallery.com/ggplot2-package.html https://r-graph-gallery.com/ggplot2-package.html
- jeltz 4y ago
  In my case that is 100% true. What I actually want is R but for the web. All the JS libraries are either too simple and rigid or too low level like d3.
  - esperent 4y ago
    Has anyone done any work to compile R to wasm?
  - baandang 4y ago
    You can't have it both ways. You can't have a completely open data representation and an abstraction at a higher level than d3. What you are calling too low level is basically dealing with the fact the data can be anything. What we really need is a javascript dataframe that everyone uses by default but that is not going to happen. Javascript culture is practically all about reinventing and trying to improve the wheel so we can optimally go in circles. I think there is an emergent self interest at the group level to keep things complex and salaries growing on the front end too. The complexity and absurdity is hardly a bug at the individual level if getting paid.
- baandang 4y ago
  The biggest difference IMO is that there is no default data representation that 99.99% of people use in javascript like pandas/dataframes/numpy/zoo in python/R. I would even say javascript has better visualization libraries than GGplot but because there is no javascriptDataframe.plot('line') the visualization libraries end up down their own path because of different data representations. My experience also is that every visualization library will lack something if you want to do anything beyond the most standard visualizations. Almost by definition it has to be that way.
  - taeric 4y ago
    Agreed, I think. Though, ggplot is very tough competition. And a lot of the niceties of small multiples and such are going to be a super power for folks using them.

my experience has been that non of these solutions provide enough control granularity, and i keep coming back to d3.js (or other libraries like deck.gl) and building my own UI.

taeric 4y ago

In a similar vein, my experience is that most visualizations that people are commonly making are reaching for what is available in R. https://r-graph-gallery.com/ggplot2-package.html https://r-graph-gallery.com/ggplot2-package.html

jeltz 4y ago
In my case that is 100% true. What I actually want is R but for the web. All the JS libraries are either too simple and rigid or too low level like d3.
- esperent 4y ago
  Has anyone done any work to compile R to wasm?
- baandang 4y ago
  You can't have it both ways. You can't have a completely open data representation and an abstraction at a higher level than d3. What you are calling too low level is basically dealing with the fact the data can be anything. What we really need is a javascript dataframe that everyone uses by default but that is not going to happen. Javascript culture is practically all about reinventing and trying to improve the wheel so we can optimally go in circles. I think there is an emergent self interest at the group level to keep things complex and salaries growing on the front end too. The complexity and absurdity is hardly a bug at the individual level if getting paid.
baandang 4y ago
The biggest difference IMO is that there is no default data representation that 99.99% of people use in javascript like pandas/dataframes/numpy/zoo in python/R. I would even say javascript has better visualization libraries than GGplot but because there is no javascriptDataframe.plot('line') the visualization libraries end up down their own path because of different data representations. My experience also is that every visualization library will lack something if you want to do anything beyond the most standard visualizations. Almost by definition it has to be that way.
- taeric 4y ago
  Agreed, I think. Though, ggplot is very tough competition. And a lot of the niceties of small multiples and such are going to be a super power for folks using them.