> What does "definite" mean? ... Either you made it to orbit or you didn't The difficulty of defining what probability is is not a defense. People are able to

> What does "definite" mean? ... Either you made it to orbit or you didn't The difficulty of defining what probability is is not a defense. People are able to calculate a value called "probability of launch success" and use this number for useful things like pricing the insurance of the satellites being carried. I assure you that no one involved expects part of a satellite to go up. > SpaceX's record is abysmal, and you forgot a few facts. Your facts seem to be (angry) critiques of Musk/SpaceX, but none of them address the original point of discussion i.e. that a new rocket platform had launch failures. Let me skip to what seems to be the important bit... > A few years ago, we had the era when Google could do no wrong, and any criticism of Google would not be tolerated by its many fans. Now, that same mindset applies to Musk, except this time, people will die. If that's what bugs you, here's my criticism: - Electric cars: can't take off until there's a breakthrough in battery tech. Oh, and the breakthrough can't use elements which are rare/expensive. - Mars: we don't have enough energy and raw materials to send more than a handful of people. I still admire Musk for his combination of genius & entrepreneurship. He's attempting, rethinking and achieving way more than most people.