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Can I use this thread about Windows to vent a bit? I don't use Windows but what a gigantic clusterfuck of a turd. Mother in law now wants "two monitors instea

Can I use this thread about Windows to vent a bit? I don't use Windows but what a gigantic clusterfuck of a turd. Mother in law now wants "two monitors instead of one". Whatever... I took a PC with Windows 8.1, bought a DisplayPort-to-HDMI adapter (GPU has got two output but her monitors are only HDMI) and it's kinda ok but then "Windows 8.1 support expires on 2023-jan-10". OK, let's buy Windows 11. I try to install Windows 11, had to create a boot disk or something (because why not) using Ventoy in wich I put the Windows .iso (just dd'ing the .iso as with Linux won't be sufficient apparently) and I happily launch the install. Hardware not supported by Windows 11. OK, I'll give my mom in law my AMD 3700X and install Windows 11 on that one instead (and I'll buy myself a 7700X). Same thing: "Hardware not supported by Windows 11'. WTF. That 3700X is a recent machine. And the error message it totaly uninformative: it just says "hardware not supported". Well, good thing a few years ago I made her switch her SME to Google Workspace / GSuite only. She and her employees are doing everything from the paid version of GSuite (something like 50 EUR / employee per year). Guess what's installing atm on that 3700X for my mother in law? Ubuntu. I dd'ed the .iso and the install starts just fine. It's insane: you want to give 145 EUR to Microsoft for their ad-ridden and keylogger infested spyware of an OS but they don't let you. Unhelpful error message. Instead of saying what is not supported, they just say: "Hardware not supported". So now it's going to be Ubuntu everywhere at her little SME and OS X laptops for when they're on the go.

vxNsr 4y ago
Hint: you gotta enable TPM This is the first result when you google Windows 11 requirements. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11-specifications https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11-specifica... All the rest of your complains boil down to being upset that Microsoft doesn’t support old stuff forever… guess how long old versions of Ubuntu are supported? (Hint it’s not forever) Also I could be wrong but pretty sure windows 8 still gets a free upgrade to Windows 10/11. They don’t advertise it, but the licensing server still accepts old licenses. Also if you want you basically can do the iso onto a usb…
- bombela 4y ago
  But the error message is completely optuse. How can you be so sure it's because of the TPM? The message says nothing but fuck you user. Also modern version of Ubuntu (and linux distribution in general) have no issues on decade old hardware (I have a couple machines that old).
  - jrockway 4y ago
    The secret to Windows is that you skip every other version. Microsoft knows people know this, so Windows 11 is kind of one of those things that only new computers and super fans install. The weird TPM requirement seals the deal for many enthusiasts. I have no idea what you do if you're on Windows 8 though. That was one of the ones you were supposed to skip ;)
    - toast0 4y ago
      People were complaing about how upgrade to 10 happened without consent. So 11 requires TPM, if you disable it, they definitely probably won't upgrade you to 11 when you close the notification.
- daguava 4y ago
  Forced TPM is the single-most asinine decision Microsoft has made in the last few years. Consumers DO NOT want this, maybe your business does, but slapping a Win11 install on my nan's fucking toaster shouldn't be blocked because I can't cryptographically sign my left nut to Microsoft.
- Falkon1313 4y ago
  It also doesn't support very common CPUs like the Intel i5 that are still being sold today and included in new PCs. Maybe not state-of-the-art top-of-the-line PCs, but PCs that people are buying today. PCs people will be getting for Christmas. That's not a question of 'supporting old stuff forever'. If it was an old Core2 Duo, discontinued in 2012, it kinda makes sense that they might not bother to support that past Win10. But a PC can easily last 10 years, and still work fine if you've got enough RAM and drive space. So there are new PCs being bought today that may be stuck on Windows 10 for the next decade or more (unless 12 fixes that).
trap_goes_hot 4y ago
Why didn't you install Ubuntu to begin with? It looks like you already knew Windows was "ad-ridden and keylogger infested spyware".

vxNsr 4y ago

Hint: you gotta enable TPM This is the first result when you google Windows 11 requirements. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11-specifications https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11-specifica... All the rest of your complains boil down to being upset that Microsoft doesn’t support old stuff forever… guess how long old versions of Ubuntu are supported? (Hint it’s not forever) Also I could be wrong but pretty sure windows 8 still gets a free upgrade to Windows 10/11. They don’t advertise it, but the licensing server still accepts old licenses. Also if you want you basically can do the iso onto a usb…

bombela 4y ago
But the error message is completely optuse. How can you be so sure it's because of the TPM? The message says nothing but fuck you user. Also modern version of Ubuntu (and linux distribution in general) have no issues on decade old hardware (I have a couple machines that old).
- jrockway 4y ago
  The secret to Windows is that you skip every other version. Microsoft knows people know this, so Windows 11 is kind of one of those things that only new computers and super fans install. The weird TPM requirement seals the deal for many enthusiasts. I have no idea what you do if you're on Windows 8 though. That was one of the ones you were supposed to skip ;)
  - toast0 4y ago
    People were complaing about how upgrade to 10 happened without consent. So 11 requires TPM, if you disable it, they definitely probably won't upgrade you to 11 when you close the notification.
daguava 4y ago
Forced TPM is the single-most asinine decision Microsoft has made in the last few years. Consumers DO NOT want this, maybe your business does, but slapping a Win11 install on my nan's fucking toaster shouldn't be blocked because I can't cryptographically sign my left nut to Microsoft.
Falkon1313 4y ago
It also doesn't support very common CPUs like the Intel i5 that are still being sold today and included in new PCs. Maybe not state-of-the-art top-of-the-line PCs, but PCs that people are buying today. PCs people will be getting for Christmas. That's not a question of 'supporting old stuff forever'. If it was an old Core2 Duo, discontinued in 2012, it kinda makes sense that they might not bother to support that past Win10. But a PC can easily last 10 years, and still work fine if you've got enough RAM and drive space. So there are new PCs being bought today that may be stuck on Windows 10 for the next decade or more (unless 12 fixes that).

trap_goes_hot 4y ago

Why didn't you install Ubuntu to begin with? It looks like you already knew Windows was "ad-ridden and keylogger infested spyware".