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Even if this specific case existed pre-Musk, it's been clear through his actions that free speech was just a ruse to distract from his censoring of critical opi

by saboot 4y ago

Even if this specific case existed pre-Musk, it's been clear through his actions that free speech was just a ruse to distract from his censoring of critical opinions of himself.

NewJazz 4y ago
Just recently an account that tweeted a video of elon musk being booed was suspended.
- cronix 4y ago
  Yes, it was a DMCA takedown, for showing a copyrighted Dave Chappelle clip from his unreleased new special. Context is good. You can't just walk into a paid performance show, record it with your cellphone and release it willy nilly.
  - DavidPeiffer 4y ago
    I'm entirely unfamiliar with DMCA takedown procedures at Twitter, both before and after the purchase, but is full account deletion standard process? Of course, there's no way for us to know how many strikes the account may have had prior.
  - nickthegreek 4y ago
    Did they upload the performance or just the Elon musk portion?
    - cronix 4y ago
      The whole show is copyrighted. It was explicitly part of the act as Elon was called up on stage with Dave where it took place.
p1necone 4y ago
In my experience this seems to be the case for practically everyone who crows about free speech on the internet. It's kinda fucked up how the right has managed to "boy who cried wolf" discussion of personal freedom and free speech from important parts of modern democracy into massive red flags in conversation with others.
- btilly 4y ago
  It is also fucked up how the left manages to convert all conversation about its censorship into whataboutism about the terrible things that the right has said. All I want is a discussion platform without left-wing censorship, but with fact checks on right-wing conspiracy theories. Where controversial things can be discussed. Like how stupid it is that California policies in favor of racial equity helped keep 3/4 of COVID vaccines received in January of 2021 from going in ANYONE's arm. See https://www.worksinprogress.co/issue/the-story-of-vaccinateca/ https://www.worksinprogress.co/issue/the-story-of-vaccinatec... if that tidbit surprises you. Is that too much to ask for? Apparently so...
  - saboot 4y ago
    Your first sentence is a whataboutism, that ends in criticizing the left about whataboutism.
    - btilly 4y ago
      There is plenty of blame to go around on both extremes. I also accused the right of conspiracy theories, then pointed to specific liberal policies that killed people in the name of racial equity. I believe that these things are important to talk about. But people are so focused on slotting others into preconceived sides that they refuse to even talk about what it might mean to have a space where these conversations could be had.

by saboot 4y ago

Even if this specific case existed pre-Musk, it's been clear through his actions that free speech was just a ruse to distract from his censoring of critical opinions of himself.

NewJazz 4y ago

Just recently an account that tweeted a video of elon musk being booed was suspended.

cronix 4y ago
Yes, it was a DMCA takedown, for showing a copyrighted Dave Chappelle clip from his unreleased new special. Context is good. You can't just walk into a paid performance show, record it with your cellphone and release it willy nilly.
- DavidPeiffer 4y ago
  I'm entirely unfamiliar with DMCA takedown procedures at Twitter, both before and after the purchase, but is full account deletion standard process? Of course, there's no way for us to know how many strikes the account may have had prior.
- nickthegreek 4y ago
  Did they upload the performance or just the Elon musk portion?
  - cronix 4y ago
    The whole show is copyrighted. It was explicitly part of the act as Elon was called up on stage with Dave where it took place.

p1necone 4y ago

In my experience this seems to be the case for practically everyone who crows about free speech on the internet. It's kinda fucked up how the right has managed to "boy who cried wolf" discussion of personal freedom and free speech from important parts of modern democracy into massive red flags in conversation with others.

btilly 4y ago
It is also fucked up how the left manages to convert all conversation about its censorship into whataboutism about the terrible things that the right has said. All I want is a discussion platform without left-wing censorship, but with fact checks on right-wing conspiracy theories. Where controversial things can be discussed. Like how stupid it is that California policies in favor of racial equity helped keep 3/4 of COVID vaccines received in January of 2021 from going in ANYONE's arm. See https://www.worksinprogress.co/issue/the-story-of-vaccinateca/ https://www.worksinprogress.co/issue/the-story-of-vaccinatec... if that tidbit surprises you. Is that too much to ask for? Apparently so...
- saboot 4y ago
  Your first sentence is a whataboutism, that ends in criticizing the left about whataboutism.
  - btilly 4y ago
    There is plenty of blame to go around on both extremes. I also accused the right of conspiracy theories, then pointed to specific liberal policies that killed people in the name of racial equity. I believe that these things are important to talk about. But people are so focused on slotting others into preconceived sides that they refuse to even talk about what it might mean to have a space where these conversations could be had.