3 ms·

I’m a fan of Elon and just a couple of years ago I was a lifelong Democrat. I don’t identify with the extreme right or QAnon or nutjobs. Moreover, most of the

I’m a fan of Elon and just a couple of years ago I was a lifelong Democrat. I don’t identify with the extreme right or QAnon or nutjobs. Moreover, most of the actions that have made Elon so contentious in the last year are quite measured from my perspective. People fear change and Elon brings change. You are quick to deliver slurs and that confuses me.

mint2 4y ago
High profile individuals Tweeting out qanon like statements is measured?
- v0idzer0 4y ago
  Last time that happened, the high profile individual was elected President of the United States
deleted 4y ago
[deleted]
deleted 4y ago
[deleted]
giraffe_lady 4y ago
No one asked about your identity though, you'd think given your affiliation here you might be sensitive to the difference. Musk is increasingly aligning himself with far-right extremists and invoking their conspiracy theories. "People fear change" is a thought-terminating cliche here; sure they may in general but it's not relevant. What people fear about musk is his power and the specific vision of change presented by the forces he's aligning with. You can't handwave that away with jedi-ass platitudes.
- goldenchrome 4y ago
  It seems that everything right of the woke orthodoxy is considered far right, extreme, and conspiratorial by leftists. That doesn’t sound reasonable. So far we’ve discovered that tech companies did indeed manipulate public opinion in favor of the leftist government. We also found out that leftist forces successfully censored critique of their response to the pandemic. These were considered extreme conspiracy theories by the left until recently, and now we know they’re true. It seems the left went to great lengths to convince the public that any dissenters were crazy. I don’t know about Elon’s specific vision for the future, and I don’t know if he should have as much power as he has. But I do know that we need a counter force to leftist censorship and it seems that Elon is committed to that. Even if he’s playing his own game, I still support the direction he’s taking. Don’t attack my character or the language I use, attack my points.
  - giraffe_lady 4y ago
    I genuinely can't tell what "leftist forces" or specific events you're talking about here, which is why it sounds like conspiracy theories. And like, get some perspective. Twitter isn't leftist, democrats aren't leftist, no american government has ever been leftist. I am leftist. I would free all prisoners and ban all police, seize property from landlords and give it to the homeless. That is a leftist position. If a neoliberal democratic executive branch seems ridiculously far to your left it is because you are very far to the right. The government is not the one on the extreme here. Thinking "the culture war" is the most pressing concern we face, thinking there is a "leftist conspiracy" against you when there hasn't been a meaningfully powerful leftist movement in the US in generations, these are extreme right positions. The right is ginning up a harassment campaign against queer people using something almost exactly like the blood libel that has concretely caused violent deaths in the last year. The far right local governments of florida and other southern states are actually using the state apparatus to censor books and behavior. The call is coming from inside the house my man. Normal people do not care about "the culture wars" like this. You are part of a far right movement. And that is part of your character. You can't participate in it then claim distance. I do not accept your moral self-infantilization; you are responsible for the consequences of the positions and people you support.
    - goldenchrome 4y ago
      I understand that what I’m referring to as “left” is something that you don’t consider “left” because you’re left of that. I think this is semantics. However I’m not sure how you’ve figured I’m far right since the only thing I’ve said is that I’m generally supportive of Elon, who is the most prominent businessman of the decade. “Far right” to me implies a fringe perspective, but I know that my views are shared by people from all walks of life, from tradesman to immigrants to high tech workers, men and women alike. This makes me think my views aren’t extreme. I’ve lived in cities that do more of what you’re suggesting with the homeless and the incarcerated and I’ve only seen things get worse. I know self-proclaimed communists who live in safe cities and carry guns because they’re so paranoid. That sounds extreme to me. I’ve also lived in more socialist countries that provide for the poor so no one is homeless and it’s a terrible situation for anyone unfortunate enough to have to live in the community. They also have to strip citizens of freedoms in order to maintain order, which is unacceptable to me. Money and policy don’t go deep enough to solve these problems. For these reasons I don’t think the left that I’m describing or the left that you’re describing are going to lead us to a stronger future. I hope you see that I have a reasoned perspective and I’m not invoking conspiracy theories. I always try to be balanced in my outlook.

mint2 4y ago

High profile individuals Tweeting out qanon like statements is measured?

v0idzer0 4y ago
Last time that happened, the high profile individual was elected President of the United States

deleted 4y ago

[deleted]

deleted 4y ago

[deleted]

giraffe_lady 4y ago

No one asked about your identity though, you'd think given your affiliation here you might be sensitive to the difference. Musk is increasingly aligning himself with far-right extremists and invoking their conspiracy theories. "People fear change" is a thought-terminating cliche here; sure they may in general but it's not relevant. What people fear about musk is his power and the specific vision of change presented by the forces he's aligning with. You can't handwave that away with jedi-ass platitudes.

goldenchrome 4y ago
It seems that everything right of the woke orthodoxy is considered far right, extreme, and conspiratorial by leftists. That doesn’t sound reasonable. So far we’ve discovered that tech companies did indeed manipulate public opinion in favor of the leftist government. We also found out that leftist forces successfully censored critique of their response to the pandemic. These were considered extreme conspiracy theories by the left until recently, and now we know they’re true. It seems the left went to great lengths to convince the public that any dissenters were crazy. I don’t know about Elon’s specific vision for the future, and I don’t know if he should have as much power as he has. But I do know that we need a counter force to leftist censorship and it seems that Elon is committed to that. Even if he’s playing his own game, I still support the direction he’s taking. Don’t attack my character or the language I use, attack my points.
- giraffe_lady 4y ago
  I genuinely can't tell what "leftist forces" or specific events you're talking about here, which is why it sounds like conspiracy theories. And like, get some perspective. Twitter isn't leftist, democrats aren't leftist, no american government has ever been leftist. I am leftist. I would free all prisoners and ban all police, seize property from landlords and give it to the homeless. That is a leftist position. If a neoliberal democratic executive branch seems ridiculously far to your left it is because you are very far to the right. The government is not the one on the extreme here. Thinking "the culture war" is the most pressing concern we face, thinking there is a "leftist conspiracy" against you when there hasn't been a meaningfully powerful leftist movement in the US in generations, these are extreme right positions. The right is ginning up a harassment campaign against queer people using something almost exactly like the blood libel that has concretely caused violent deaths in the last year. The far right local governments of florida and other southern states are actually using the state apparatus to censor books and behavior. The call is coming from inside the house my man. Normal people do not care about "the culture wars" like this. You are part of a far right movement. And that is part of your character. You can't participate in it then claim distance. I do not accept your moral self-infantilization; you are responsible for the consequences of the positions and people you support.
  - goldenchrome 4y ago
    I understand that what I’m referring to as “left” is something that you don’t consider “left” because you’re left of that. I think this is semantics. However I’m not sure how you’ve figured I’m far right since the only thing I’ve said is that I’m generally supportive of Elon, who is the most prominent businessman of the decade. “Far right” to me implies a fringe perspective, but I know that my views are shared by people from all walks of life, from tradesman to immigrants to high tech workers, men and women alike. This makes me think my views aren’t extreme. I’ve lived in cities that do more of what you’re suggesting with the homeless and the incarcerated and I’ve only seen things get worse. I know self-proclaimed communists who live in safe cities and carry guns because they’re so paranoid. That sounds extreme to me. I’ve also lived in more socialist countries that provide for the poor so no one is homeless and it’s a terrible situation for anyone unfortunate enough to have to live in the community. They also have to strip citizens of freedoms in order to maintain order, which is unacceptable to me. Money and policy don’t go deep enough to solve these problems. For these reasons I don’t think the left that I’m describing or the left that you’re describing are going to lead us to a stronger future. I hope you see that I have a reasoned perspective and I’m not invoking conspiracy theories. I always try to be balanced in my outlook.