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The Terminal for the 21st Century

17 points by ahamez 4y ago

hitpointdrew 4y ago
Unless it has a password manager then there is no chance I will switch from iTerm2.
timemachine 4y ago
This looks interesting. Is it MacOS only? And how does it behave with tools like tmux or ssh?
- nftom 4y ago
  Yep MacOS only for now. SSH works ok, it wraps the native SSH and does some magic so your milage will vary. For TMUX, don't know what you would need that for honestly.
  - archarios 4y ago
    >For TMUX, don't know what you would need that for honestly. It's super useful for doing things on remote servers. Tmux can maintain a "session" between ssh connections. So I can start a long running process on a tmux pane and then log out and come back to it later to see how things went. I also generally do development over SSH so it's nice to not have to re-set things up each time I SSH into the VM.
- ar_lan 4y ago
  https://docs.warp.dev/features/ssh https://docs.warp.dev/features/ssh addresses this. Tmux is not supported over ssh.
  - noitpmeder 4y ago
    Deal breaker for me -- always run with multiple panes/sessions/windows.
imwillofficial 4y ago
I use Warp daily as a fang dev, they have constantly improved the product. I'm a believer.
- gkc3 4y ago
  What does being a "fang dev" have to do with the quality of this terminal?
  - archarios 4y ago
    fang devs like to think that they are somehow superior to the rest of us. So they think mentioning that they work for a fang company gives their statements greater importance.
    - imwillofficial 4y ago
      That’s not what I was getting at. I’m actually half retarded when it comes to dev. What I meant was that warp went above and beyond to accommodate organizational enforced security policies that were breaking warp for me.
      - archarios 4y ago
        Okay fair enough
        deleted 4y ago
        [deleted]
        imwillofficial 4y ago
        That’s not an apology.
  - imwillofficial 4y ago
    So more than any place I’ve ever worked, FANGs have large organizational policies that make using alternative terminals like this more difficult. Warp does a lot behind the scenes to do its magic. This was being broken by organizational policy enforced config on my dev box. The warp team went above and beyond to work around those restrictions and configurations, and improved their product as a result. I really liked that and it earned trust with me. That’s all I meant. I should have been more clear.
mise_en_place 4y ago
I have been searching for a replacement since iTerm is not the greatest on macOS. Will give this a try
- steve_taylor 4y ago
  Really? iTerm is rock solid. Even macOS Terminal is pretty decent. Both options are a lot better than anything I’ve tried on Windows.
  - mise_en_place 4y ago
    Have you tried Windows Terminal? iTerm is very slow for me on M1.
hintymad 4y ago
Warp requires a sign-up before I can try the terminal. This can be a big no no for many users, or at least for me.
- nftom 4y ago
  Why? You can now disable all their telemetry, so a login is kinda just meh.
  - hintymad 4y ago
    Friction? Creating an account itself is quite a chore.
  - msoad 4y ago
    It's a matter of weeks before you're in a whackamole game with their marketing email unsubscription system
  - kjs3 4y ago
    So there's 2 show stoppers with this thing.
- kbuchanan 4y ago
  Yeah, I see no reason a terminal should require an account. Turned me off too.
- TheHappyOddish 4y ago
  It appears to be a hand-hold terminal designed for developers rather than sysadmins. That's fine - I'm sure there's a place in the market for that. But given that's the audience, I doubt sign-up is a non-starter for most.
msoad 4y ago
Before clicking I knew it's yet another Electron app that wraps JS terminal emulators but I was pleased to be proven wrong. Fully native GPU accelerated renderer was a nice line in the marketing material. I've moved on from using a terminal app however. I am using the VSCode terminal and I'm content with it. It has a bunch of nice bindings between terminal and the editor like clicking on a path to open the file in editor. I wonder if this can replace my VSCode terminal so I can actually use it. Otherwise I'll download it, play with it a little bit and forget about it when it comes to doing actual work...
cryptoboy2283 4y ago
It's the terminal with telemetry - so an instant no-go.
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darksfall 4y ago
Hardly the "Terminal for the 21st Century" if it's MacOS only. That is unless you subscribe to the belief that Apple has an overwhelming tech dominance or are an Apple stan and any refuse to recognise any other platform.
einpoklum 4y ago
A terminal app for the 21st century is: 1. FOSS. 2. Portable, multi-platform. This "warp" is neither. Also... replying to some of their homepage quips: > Our GPT-3 powered AI search will convert natural language into executable shell commands. I'll grant you that _is_ kind of futuristic, but I would really rather not install your keylogger on my system. > Along the way, we built our own UI framework, our own Rust-based CRDT editor and our own graphics shaders. Did you now? Well, that sounds problematic. I expect the use of well-vetted common (if not standard) libraries. Also, why does a terminal app need graphics shaders? ---------- Edit: Oh, it looks like I was even more suspicious last time this was announced here on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30925105 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30925105
- calvinmorrison 4y ago
  right? I don't know what "FPS" my "Terminal" displays out, I could care less, I am using it to emulate a VTE from long before I was born.
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stefanvdw1 4y ago
Have been using it daily for about a year now together with zag and starship and absolutely love it! Fast, easy to use and remembers commands from previous sessions which has been incredibly useful a number of times
- TheHappyOddish 4y ago
  I don't mean to come off as a grumpy old greybeard, but how does this differ from other terminals? Every terminal I've ever used as a daily driver has had command history, has been fast (it's a terminal) and has been easy to use (which is of course subjective). Looking at the feature set, it seems like they're trying to squeeze some bastardized IDE into a terminal. What is the selling point for you over, say kitty or iTerm2?
electric_mayhem 4y ago
Yeah, just what I wanted- a terminal program that I need an account with a third party to use. Sorry, that’s actually a deal-breaker.
- mindslight 4y ago
  I expressed exasperation at the warping of a fundamental tool into a proprietary surveillance based monstrosity in another thread, where it was pointed out that this is an enterprise product to help new employees and the like. But as long as the marketing copy continues to be phrased as if this thing is some generally-applicable good idea ("The Terminal for the 21st Century"), then I think it's wholly appropriate to continue calling it out for the freedom-destroying abomination that it is. If the thing were released as Libre software and had a user-respecting fork, then perhaps I would hold my nose and give it a shot. But as it stands I can only hope this thing fails so spectacularly to repudiate the whole idea.
ar_lan 4y ago
Definitely interested in this. I'm a daily kitty user. I tried WezTerm but it was way too slow to load NeoVim for me over ssh. Would need to play with it for some time - main things I can't live without at the moment are `ssh` + multiplexing across a remote session, and speed. It looks like Warp also doesn't support fish _well_ (most comments say it supports bash/zsh well). I am not necessarily attached to fish, but it is nicer IMHO. Although, it looks like you have to login???? which is an immediate deal-breaker.
Jorengarenar 4y ago
Cool, but I think I'll just stick with build into Bash binding Ctrl-X Ctrl-E (or v in vi mode) for editing the command in my $EDITOR
anthonyaykut 4y ago
It might not be for everyone, but I am pretty happy with https://termius.com/ https://termius.com/ (I use the freemium version).
dan-robertson 4y ago
I wonder how much this is parsing the output of bash and how much it’s actually got it’s own shell? It seems to me that there is reasonable room for a better shell to exist.
id00 4y ago
Oh, this looks interesting. Let me download it. Weird, it looks like I already downloaded it before, but I have no recollection of using it. Let's start! Ah... that's the one that required a mandatory sign in to use, now I remember. Bye!
dang 4y ago
Show HN: Warp, a Rust-based terminal - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30921231 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30921231 - April 2022 (726 comments) Also: Telemetry is now optional in Warp - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33910992 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33910992 - Dec 2022 (68 comments) We Built Syntax Highlighting for the Terminal Input Editor - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33642513 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33642513 - Nov 2022 (22 comments) Why is the terminal input so weird? - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33628205 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33628205 - Nov 2022 (178 comments) Warp: Fast, Rust-based terminal (waiting list) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27835057 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27835057 - July 2021 (173 comments)
sys_64738 4y ago
It’s not Electron so a positive.
jhanschoo 4y ago
I'll definitely give this a try once it comes to linux. I used to know my way around the standard linux tools better while I was still learning linux and its coretools. The CLI interface sucks for discoverability for the intermediate user, and there is definitely much room for a tool informed by modern UX research to offer a better experience.
amai 4y ago
A terminal with inbuilt keylogger, sending all my keystrokes into the cloud? No, thank you.

17 points by ahamez 4y ago

hitpointdrew 4y ago

Unless it has a password manager then there is no chance I will switch from iTerm2.

timemachine 4y ago

This looks interesting. Is it MacOS only? And how does it behave with tools like tmux or ssh?

nftom 4y ago
Yep MacOS only for now. SSH works ok, it wraps the native SSH and does some magic so your milage will vary. For TMUX, don't know what you would need that for honestly.
- archarios 4y ago
  >For TMUX, don't know what you would need that for honestly. It's super useful for doing things on remote servers. Tmux can maintain a "session" between ssh connections. So I can start a long running process on a tmux pane and then log out and come back to it later to see how things went. I also generally do development over SSH so it's nice to not have to re-set things up each time I SSH into the VM.
ar_lan 4y ago
https://docs.warp.dev/features/ssh https://docs.warp.dev/features/ssh addresses this. Tmux is not supported over ssh.
- noitpmeder 4y ago
  Deal breaker for me -- always run with multiple panes/sessions/windows.

imwillofficial 4y ago

I use Warp daily as a fang dev, they have constantly improved the product. I'm a believer.

gkc3 4y ago
What does being a "fang dev" have to do with the quality of this terminal?
- archarios 4y ago
  fang devs like to think that they are somehow superior to the rest of us. So they think mentioning that they work for a fang company gives their statements greater importance.
  - imwillofficial 4y ago
    That’s not what I was getting at. I’m actually half retarded when it comes to dev. What I meant was that warp went above and beyond to accommodate organizational enforced security policies that were breaking warp for me.
    - archarios 4y ago
      Okay fair enough
      - deleted 4y ago
        [deleted]
      - imwillofficial 4y ago
        That’s not an apology.
- imwillofficial 4y ago
  So more than any place I’ve ever worked, FANGs have large organizational policies that make using alternative terminals like this more difficult. Warp does a lot behind the scenes to do its magic. This was being broken by organizational policy enforced config on my dev box. The warp team went above and beyond to work around those restrictions and configurations, and improved their product as a result. I really liked that and it earned trust with me. That’s all I meant. I should have been more clear.

mise_en_place 4y ago

I have been searching for a replacement since iTerm is not the greatest on macOS. Will give this a try

steve_taylor 4y ago
Really? iTerm is rock solid. Even macOS Terminal is pretty decent. Both options are a lot better than anything I’ve tried on Windows.
- mise_en_place 4y ago
  Have you tried Windows Terminal? iTerm is very slow for me on M1.

hintymad 4y ago

Warp requires a sign-up before I can try the terminal. This can be a big no no for many users, or at least for me.

nftom 4y ago
Why? You can now disable all their telemetry, so a login is kinda just meh.
- hintymad 4y ago
  Friction? Creating an account itself is quite a chore.
- msoad 4y ago
  It's a matter of weeks before you're in a whackamole game with their marketing email unsubscription system
- kjs3 4y ago
  So there's 2 show stoppers with this thing.
kbuchanan 4y ago
Yeah, I see no reason a terminal should require an account. Turned me off too.
TheHappyOddish 4y ago
It appears to be a hand-hold terminal designed for developers rather than sysadmins. That's fine - I'm sure there's a place in the market for that. But given that's the audience, I doubt sign-up is a non-starter for most.

msoad 4y ago

Before clicking I knew it's yet another Electron app that wraps JS terminal emulators but I was pleased to be proven wrong. Fully native GPU accelerated renderer was a nice line in the marketing material. I've moved on from using a terminal app however. I am using the VSCode terminal and I'm content with it. It has a bunch of nice bindings between terminal and the editor like clicking on a path to open the file in editor. I wonder if this can replace my VSCode terminal so I can actually use it. Otherwise I'll download it, play with it a little bit and forget about it when it comes to doing actual work...

cryptoboy2283 4y ago

It's the terminal with telemetry - so an instant no-go.

deleted 4y ago
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darksfall 4y ago

Hardly the "Terminal for the 21st Century" if it's MacOS only. That is unless you subscribe to the belief that Apple has an overwhelming tech dominance or are an Apple stan and any refuse to recognise any other platform.

einpoklum 4y ago

A terminal app for the 21st century is: 1. FOSS. 2. Portable, multi-platform. This "warp" is neither. Also... replying to some of their homepage quips: > Our GPT-3 powered AI search will convert natural language into executable shell commands. I'll grant you that _is_ kind of futuristic, but I would really rather not install your keylogger on my system. > Along the way, we built our own UI framework, our own Rust-based CRDT editor and our own graphics shaders. Did you now? Well, that sounds problematic. I expect the use of well-vetted common (if not standard) libraries. Also, why does a terminal app need graphics shaders? ---------- Edit: Oh, it looks like I was even more suspicious last time this was announced here on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30925105 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30925105

calvinmorrison 4y ago
right? I don't know what "FPS" my "Terminal" displays out, I could care less, I am using it to emulate a VTE from long before I was born.
- deleted 4y ago
  [deleted]

stefanvdw1 4y ago

Have been using it daily for about a year now together with zag and starship and absolutely love it! Fast, easy to use and remembers commands from previous sessions which has been incredibly useful a number of times

TheHappyOddish 4y ago
I don't mean to come off as a grumpy old greybeard, but how does this differ from other terminals? Every terminal I've ever used as a daily driver has had command history, has been fast (it's a terminal) and has been easy to use (which is of course subjective). Looking at the feature set, it seems like they're trying to squeeze some bastardized IDE into a terminal. What is the selling point for you over, say kitty or iTerm2?

electric_mayhem 4y ago

Yeah, just what I wanted- a terminal program that I need an account with a third party to use. Sorry, that’s actually a deal-breaker.

mindslight 4y ago
I expressed exasperation at the warping of a fundamental tool into a proprietary surveillance based monstrosity in another thread, where it was pointed out that this is an enterprise product to help new employees and the like. But as long as the marketing copy continues to be phrased as if this thing is some generally-applicable good idea ("The Terminal for the 21st Century"), then I think it's wholly appropriate to continue calling it out for the freedom-destroying abomination that it is. If the thing were released as Libre software and had a user-respecting fork, then perhaps I would hold my nose and give it a shot. But as it stands I can only hope this thing fails so spectacularly to repudiate the whole idea.

ar_lan 4y ago

Definitely interested in this. I'm a daily kitty user. I tried WezTerm but it was way too slow to load NeoVim for me over ssh. Would need to play with it for some time - main things I can't live without at the moment are `ssh` + multiplexing across a remote session, and speed. It looks like Warp also doesn't support fish _well_ (most comments say it supports bash/zsh well). I am not necessarily attached to fish, but it is nicer IMHO. Although, it looks like you have to login???? which is an immediate deal-breaker.

Jorengarenar 4y ago

Cool, but I think I'll just stick with build into Bash binding Ctrl-X Ctrl-E (or v in vi mode) for editing the command in my $EDITOR

anthonyaykut 4y ago

It might not be for everyone, but I am pretty happy with https://termius.com/ https://termius.com/ (I use the freemium version).

dan-robertson 4y ago

I wonder how much this is parsing the output of bash and how much it’s actually got it’s own shell? It seems to me that there is reasonable room for a better shell to exist.

id00 4y ago

Oh, this looks interesting. Let me download it. Weird, it looks like I already downloaded it before, but I have no recollection of using it. Let's start! Ah... that's the one that required a mandatory sign in to use, now I remember. Bye!

dang 4y ago

Show HN: Warp, a Rust-based terminal - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30921231 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30921231 - April 2022 (726 comments) Also: Telemetry is now optional in Warp - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33910992 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33910992 - Dec 2022 (68 comments) We Built Syntax Highlighting for the Terminal Input Editor - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33642513 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33642513 - Nov 2022 (22 comments) Why is the terminal input so weird? - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33628205 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33628205 - Nov 2022 (178 comments) Warp: Fast, Rust-based terminal (waiting list) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27835057 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27835057 - July 2021 (173 comments)

sys_64738 4y ago

It’s not Electron so a positive.

jhanschoo 4y ago

I'll definitely give this a try once it comes to linux. I used to know my way around the standard linux tools better while I was still learning linux and its coretools. The CLI interface sucks for discoverability for the intermediate user, and there is definitely much room for a tool informed by modern UX research to offer a better experience.

amai 4y ago

A terminal with inbuilt keylogger, sending all my keystrokes into the cloud? No, thank you.