7 ms·
Links mentioning Mastodon flagged as sensitive on Twitter?
- pannSun 4y agoThis has been standard operating procedure at Twitter long before Musk: https://reclaimthenet.org/twitter-censors-all-links-to-bitchute/ https://reclaimthenet.org/twitter-censors-all-links-to-bitch... And at Google as well: https://reclaimthenet.org/google-play-bans-bitchute-app/ https://reclaimthenet.org/google-play-bans-bitchute-app/ Edit: And at reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/Tartaria/comments/ktwypc/warning_reddit_is_sneakily_blocking_bitchute/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Tartaria/comments/ktwypc/warning_re...
- pohl 4y agoWhat's the connection you're making between Mastodon and BitChute? I'm missing it.
- pannSun 4y agoCensoring competition/alternatives.
- NewJazz 4y agoWas BitChute a significant Twitter competitor? Or just a far-right propaganda and misinformation outlet?
- wpietri 4y agoThat is quite a stretch. Bitchute is video hosting, so it's not a Twitter competitor. And you're ignoring that it's well known as a host for hate speech. [1][2] [1] https://www.adl.org/blog/bitchute-a-hotbed-of-hate https://www.adl.org/blog/bitchute-a-hotbed-of-hate [2] https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2021/02/24/the-websites-sustaining-britains-far-right-influencers/ https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2021/02/24/the...
- pannSun 4y agoAnd the internet isn't print journalism, yet it struck a near-fatal blow to newspaper budgets. That's the economic side of it. The other side is, as you say, established media discreetly [1] censoring alternatives that don't toe the line. But I don't care to have my web browsing be censored by the ADL, no matter how they justify it. [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/Tartaria/comments/ktwypc/warning_reddit_is_sneakily_blocking_bitchute/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Tartaria/comments/ktwypc/warning_re...
- jakelazaroff 4y agoAll this Reddit/Bitchute/newspaper stuff is a non sequitur — we're talking about Twitter and Mastodon, not any of those other things. Censoring Mastodon is a new policy under Elon. The point of the "hate speech" comment is that there's a plausible reason to suppress Bitchute that doesn't involve stifling competition (especially because, as GP mentioned, Bitchute isn't actually a competitor to Twitter). So it's not even analogous to what's happening here.
- pannSun 4y ago> we're talking about Twitter and Mastodon, not any of those other things. I don't view things so narrowly. If you want to limit yourself to only Twitter and Mastodon, you are free to do so, but that does not make similar cases non sequiturs.
- jakelazaroff 4y agoYou haven’t demonstrated that they’re similar. So far, all you’ve shown is that Twitter previously displayed sensitive content warnings on links to a video site known for hate speech. That’s the whole point of a content warning. It's not analogous to the current situation, which is that Twitter is abusing that warning to stifle a competing service.
- pannSun 4y ago
- eindiran 4y agoI think the idea is that BitChute tries to position itself as an alternative to YouTube, and Google (as the owner of YouTube) is doing its damnedest to prevent people from using the alternative. Replace BitChute with Mastodon and Google/YouTube with Twitter and its a similar pattern.
- CameronNemo 4y agoSure, but the commenter said that this has been operating procedure for Twitter. But that does not seem to be true -- mastodon links have not been (soft) censored up until this point.
- eindiran 4y agoI was responding to the question about what link OP was trying to draw between BitChute and Mastodon, no idea at all about the second question re censoring Mastodon links on Twitter. But again, responding to your parallel comment, OP is not saying that BitChute is a competitor to Twitter. It's that entrenched player <a> is (soft) censoring new competitor <b> where <a>, <b> are filled in with (Google/YT, BitChute) and (Twitter, Mastodon).
- pohl 4y agoThat's the most charitable read I could come up with, too. It's such a tenuous connection, though, that one wonders why it's even worth mentioning in this context.
- kgwxd 4y agoSounds like another bias Musk should look into removing.
- cyberphobe 4y agoSeems like censoring a website known for hosting hate speech is a bit different to censoring mastodon
- nickthegreek 4y agothe call is coming from inside the house.
- electric_mayhem 4y ago[flagged]
- dang 4y agoOk, but please don't post unsubstantive comments to Hacker News. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- deleted 4y ago[deleted]
- saboot 4y agoEven if this specific case existed pre-Musk, it's been clear through his actions that free speech was just a ruse to distract from his censoring of critical opinions of himself.
- NewJazz 4y agoJust recently an account that tweeted a video of elon musk being booed was suspended.
- cronix 4y agoYes, it was a DMCA takedown, for showing a copyrighted Dave Chappelle clip from his unreleased new special. Context is good. You can't just walk into a paid performance show, record it with your cellphone and release it willy nilly.
- DavidPeiffer 4y agoI'm entirely unfamiliar with DMCA takedown procedures at Twitter, both before and after the purchase, but is full account deletion standard process? Of course, there's no way for us to know how many strikes the account may have had prior.
- nickthegreek 4y ago
- EGreg 4y agoJust another reason why we should have OPEN SOURCE platforms that are hosted on thousands of domains. Here you can use this to build your own Twitter, complete with video broadcasts peer to peer: https://github.com/Qbix/Platform https://github.com/Qbix/Platform
- CameronNemo 4y agoI wonder how many instances Twitter will be (soft) censoring? New instances can pop up at any moment, does Twitter plan to deplatform all of them, just ones that host objectionable content, or just those that are big enough to notice? This is a game of whack a mole. Good luck swinging that heavy ban hammer, Elon.
- jakelazaroff 4y agoIt should be relatively easy to detect — Twitter can simply check whether a domain implements ActivityPub when a user tries to submit a link.
- CameronNemo 4y agoWow that would be a scorched earth policy, would it not? You would then be deplatforming video and image hosting sites, discussion forums, and blogs. Including people.kernel.org, the Linux kernel developer blogging platform.
- jakelazaroff 4y agoSure. I don’t know the ActivityPub spec; maybe there’s some way to disambiguate further. But I think Elon would be fine with deplatforming anyone for whom he could get away with it.
- EGreg 4y agoWhy would you think that? His whole shtick was to NOT do that
- seydor 4y ago... for absolutely no reason because twitterers won't go there
- kzrdude 4y agoThere aren't two tribes here, some people use both and lots are switching right now.
- ajross 4y agoLeaving aside discussion of the public dumpster fire going on at Twitter, or the constant shrieking about "free speech", or the weird culture warrior turn its CEO has taken... I've actually been reasonably pleased with Mastodon. It's got its rough edges for sure, but it's weathered the Twitter expatriation storm better than expected, and lots of folks I follow are mirroring their content there. The Fedifinder tool (fedifinder.glitch.me) is a really quite painless way to update my follow list as people move over. I don't know whether or not Twitter is going to be "replaced" any time soon, but right now this does have sort of the feel of a Digg moment to me.
- newaccount2021 4y ago
- einpoklum 4y agoJust so you guys know - censorship and bans on Twitter are not at all a thing of the past in the Elon Musk era. There is, of course: https://twitter.com/JulianAssange https://twitter.com/JulianAssange which is still "Account suspended" but also new suspensions/bans, e.g. left-wing commentator Garland Nixon: https://www.reddit.com/r/WayOfTheBern/comments/z2depd/garland_nixon_gets_permanent_twitter_ban_from/ https://www.reddit.com/r/WayOfTheBern/comments/z2depd/garlan... and additional examples.
- colejohnson66 4y ago@ElonJet was also limited: https://twitter.com/jxcksweeney/status/1601793874594496512 https://twitter.com/jxcksweeney/status/1601793874594496512
- einpoklum 4y agoFor those who don't know what @ElonJet is: It is not a human's account, it is an account where a bot posts locations in the world of Elon Musk's jet (which it gets using publicly-accessible data). TBH, I believe that bot activity regulation and censorship of people are two distinct issues. Still, the search-shadowbanning of @ElonJet is quite inappropriate.
- kjksf 4y agoIt no longer does, at least not for me in web Twitter. Check out for yourself: https://twitter.com/joshuatopolsky/status/1602300745302376455 https://twitter.com/joshuatopolsky/status/160230074530237645... Do you see a warning label or not? I don't. Comment below if you see or not. Update: the difference seems to be logged out or not. If I'm logged in, I don't see the flag. I see it when not logged in.
- post_break 4y agoI see a flag.
- aerovistae 4y agoI see a flag.
- georgeg23 4y agoSee a sensitive content flag
- daanlo 4y agoFor me the tweet is hidden behind a message that I need to change my settings to see sensitive content.
- dotty- 4y agoYou will not see a warning label if you have "Display media that may contain sensitive content" checked. https://twitter.com/settings/content_you_see https://twitter.com/settings/content_you_see
- jakelazaroff 4y agoCan confirm. I didn't see a flag. I unchecked that setting and refreshed. Now it's hidden behind a message that says "The following media includes potentially sensitive content."
- warinukraine 4y agoI also see a flag. I'm not logged in or have any cookies, if that matters.
- georgeg23 4y agoElon is even going after Wikipedia now for revealing his dark secrets.
- thoew232s 4y ago