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I feel bad for them. They helped Ghosn escape an unfair justice system.

klyrs 4y ago
If you're trying to frame this as civil disobedience, the path forward is jail time, to get your day in court to protest some unfairness of the law. But these were lackeys of an ultra-wealthy guy accused of securities fraud and embezzlement. The deck is stacked in Ghosn's favor, and he threw his henchfolk under the bus. He knows well enough to stay out of reach of extradition: this was not just foreseeable, it was forseen. They took money to knowingly engage in conspiracy to a crime. Womp, womp.
- notch656a 4y ago
  If someone can't have a fair judicial process the "path forward" is for them to have "jail time"? Fuck that, I praise Ghosn's actions.
  - klyrs 4y ago
    That is how the 99% are expected to make progress on civil rights. Difference is, he's rich af; he can afford the best representation money can buy. While Japan's "hostage justice system" is certainly unfair to the accused, he wasn't suffering that commoner-treatment, he was on house arrest in an extremely comfortable house.
    - googlryas 4y ago
      The hundreds of thousands of people imprisoned for marijuana in the US have to disagree with you. Their plight did nothing towards the cause. It's only different now in some states because the public has taken a chill pill about it.
      - klyrs 4y ago
        Did I say that civil disobedience is even remotely reliable? Because it's not. And, not every violation of the law is civil disobedience. For that to be the case, the violation should be done with flagrant intent to get caught for the purpose of making a political statement. The risk of doing the time, and not making any progress, is significant. Also note the uncertainty in my opening line, "if you're trying to frame this as civil disobedience." I don't believe that this guy's alleged corruption would fit the bill.
byroot 4y ago
Is France justice system unfair too? Because it seems like he's not really eager to face it either.
curiousgal 4y ago
Would you felt the same if someone helped Meng Wanzhou escape? A Chinese citizen arrested in Canada for violating US sanctions on Iran sounds very unfair to me.

If you're trying to frame this as civil disobedience, the path forward is jail time, to get your day in court to protest some unfairness of the law. But these were lackeys of an ultra-wealthy guy accused of securities fraud and embezzlement. The deck is stacked in Ghosn's favor, and he threw his henchfolk under the bus. He knows well enough to stay out of reach of extradition: this was not just foreseeable, it was forseen. They took money to knowingly engage in conspiracy to a crime. Womp, womp.

notch656a 4y ago
If someone can't have a fair judicial process the "path forward" is for them to have "jail time"? Fuck that, I praise Ghosn's actions.
- klyrs 4y ago
  That is how the 99% are expected to make progress on civil rights. Difference is, he's rich af; he can afford the best representation money can buy. While Japan's "hostage justice system" is certainly unfair to the accused, he wasn't suffering that commoner-treatment, he was on house arrest in an extremely comfortable house.
  - googlryas 4y ago
    The hundreds of thousands of people imprisoned for marijuana in the US have to disagree with you. Their plight did nothing towards the cause. It's only different now in some states because the public has taken a chill pill about it.
    - klyrs 4y ago
      Did I say that civil disobedience is even remotely reliable? Because it's not. And, not every violation of the law is civil disobedience. For that to be the case, the violation should be done with flagrant intent to get caught for the purpose of making a political statement. The risk of doing the time, and not making any progress, is significant. Also note the uncertainty in my opening line, "if you're trying to frame this as civil disobedience." I don't believe that this guy's alleged corruption would fit the bill.

byroot 4y ago

Is France justice system unfair too? Because it seems like he's not really eager to face it either.

curiousgal 4y ago

Would you felt the same if someone helped Meng Wanzhou escape? A Chinese citizen arrested in Canada for violating US sanctions on Iran sounds very unfair to me.