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Gotcha. I'll just draft a law saying all devices must automatically unencrypt themselves when they enter my country's borders. Hey, it's the law! You must comp

Gotcha. I'll just draft a law saying all devices must automatically unencrypt themselves when they enter my country's borders. Hey, it's the law! You must comply, and for your convenience, your phone will do that automatically for you! Good grief.

warkdarrior 4y ago
If you do not like the regulation, fight to change it. Do not expect your devices to do the fighting for you.
- TreeRingCounter 4y ago
  My devices should absolutely work on my behalf, and only my behalf, i.e. "do the fighting for me".
- kelnos 4y ago
  A better response to these laws would be that the device should just stop working if the settings I have selected conflict with local law. The cell towers are free to refuse to allow my phone to connect. They should send some sort of message to me to tell me what I'd need to do in order to comply with local law and be allowed on the network. But of course, that wouldn't be convenient, and a lot of people would be confused, and that would generate costly support calls, so they'd rather just violate the sanctity of the things we apparently don't really own and put intrusive hooks into "our" hardware and software. In the case of this particular requirement -- that wireless alerts be enabled -- I would almost certainly just enable them and go about my day. But reaching into my device and changing things without my consent crosses a line.
  - MichaelZuo 4y ago
    You can do that now with nearly all of the big carriers around the world. You just need to sign a service level agreement along with paying for them to develop that feature and deploy it on your phone.
- oarsinsync 4y ago
  Given that the fight is between megacorps, megastates and ~mega~individuals, it feels like a slightly uneven fight. The people who have the power to make the phones vs the people who have the power to make laws and prevent the makers from selling, vs a few individuals who actually care and a large majority who do not have the time to care. I’d love to vote with my wallet, but I live in a country that 90%+ votes against me, so my vote is meaningless.
Wowfunhappy 4y ago
If you are in fact the monarch of a sovereign nation, you can indeed give companies a choice: "either design your products to automatically decrypt themselves when they enter my territory, or don't do business in my country." Companies will then be forced to make a decision based on the market size of your country. Or they will break the law, and you will have to deal with enforcement. Most companies would like to do business in the EU.
- mschuster91 4y ago
  > Companies will then, of course, be forced to make a decision based on the market size of your country. And as we've seen time and time again, China can get away with a lot of bullshit with demands anywhere from tech to culture (e.g. MCU films that ended up censored). At least now, Apple has woken up and begun moving off production to Vietnam, and Marvel has decided to ignore Chinese demands after all.

warkdarrior 4y ago

If you do not like the regulation, fight to change it. Do not expect your devices to do the fighting for you.

TreeRingCounter 4y ago
My devices should absolutely work on my behalf, and only my behalf, i.e. "do the fighting for me".
kelnos 4y ago
A better response to these laws would be that the device should just stop working if the settings I have selected conflict with local law. The cell towers are free to refuse to allow my phone to connect. They should send some sort of message to me to tell me what I'd need to do in order to comply with local law and be allowed on the network. But of course, that wouldn't be convenient, and a lot of people would be confused, and that would generate costly support calls, so they'd rather just violate the sanctity of the things we apparently don't really own and put intrusive hooks into "our" hardware and software. In the case of this particular requirement -- that wireless alerts be enabled -- I would almost certainly just enable them and go about my day. But reaching into my device and changing things without my consent crosses a line.
- MichaelZuo 4y ago
  You can do that now with nearly all of the big carriers around the world. You just need to sign a service level agreement along with paying for them to develop that feature and deploy it on your phone.
oarsinsync 4y ago
Given that the fight is between megacorps, megastates and ~mega~individuals, it feels like a slightly uneven fight. The people who have the power to make the phones vs the people who have the power to make laws and prevent the makers from selling, vs a few individuals who actually care and a large majority who do not have the time to care. I’d love to vote with my wallet, but I live in a country that 90%+ votes against me, so my vote is meaningless.

Wowfunhappy 4y ago

If you are in fact the monarch of a sovereign nation, you can indeed give companies a choice: "either design your products to automatically decrypt themselves when they enter my territory, or don't do business in my country." Companies will then be forced to make a decision based on the market size of your country. Or they will break the law, and you will have to deal with enforcement. Most companies would like to do business in the EU.

mschuster91 4y ago
> Companies will then, of course, be forced to make a decision based on the market size of your country. And as we've seen time and time again, China can get away with a lot of bullshit with demands anywhere from tech to culture (e.g. MCU films that ended up censored). At least now, Apple has woken up and begun moving off production to Vietnam, and Marvel has decided to ignore Chinese demands after all.