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Your 20 years feels way off. The bulk of the problems (i.e. a decade plus of terrible governance, Brexit vote, lack of investment, self defeating austerity) ste

Your 20 years feels way off. The bulk of the problems (i.e. a decade plus of terrible governance, Brexit vote, lack of investment, self defeating austerity) stem from the votes of a predominantly older generation (yes hashtag not all old people etc etc). The problem for the UK is and will remain the older generations - post silent generation - until nature runs its course and the country can undergo much needed reform.

mytailorisrich 4y ago
It's neither accurate nor helpful to oppose generations. Your comment is also in rather poor taste. I could highlight that many of the 'young generation' voted for Jeremy Corbyn's Labour... and IMHO a reason is that they were too young to remember what his policies really meant because they were born after the fall of the USSR. Labour has been losing, not because of "old gammons" but because there have been unelectable through terrible manifestos. This will likely change in the next general election. They'll be just enough better and the Tories have burnt themselves at this point. "Young and stupid, old and mad", perhaps there's a middle ground. Re. Brexit is not that the old generation ruined it for the young, it's that they did vote when the young did not.
- Dma54rhs 4y ago
  I'm not from the UK but Im old enough to remember Corbyn running a very much "anti-globalist", anti EU/Brussels agenda just packed a bit different than your Brexit campaigners - the substance all the same.
- Guid_NewGuid 4y ago
  I had written a long reply but I don't think it was particularly constructive. I'd dispute it being inaccurate to talk about a generational divide when one clearly exists. We shouldn't avoid discussion of such a divide to save blushes. Age of the Labour -> Tory switch trending upwards and partisan divide by age increasing https://www.resolutionfoundation.org/comment/my-generation-baby-the-politics-of-age-in-brexit-britain/ https://www.resolutionfoundation.org/comment/my-generation-b... Age a key dividing line https://www.ipsos.com/en-uk/how-britain-voted-2019-election https://www.ipsos.com/en-uk/how-britain-voted-2019-election (including disclaimer from linked resource "it would be a mistake to treat all voters of a similar age, gender, class and so on as a homogenous group.") Vote by age divide over time https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ea3xOuRXgAAa8Wk?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ea3xOuRXgAAa8Wk?format=jpg&name=... I was responding particularly to the GPs implied claim that (the on average more highly educated) people educated after around 2000 were somehow the cause of the disaster that is current English politics. Brexit vote, age strongly correlated with leave vote % https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36616028 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36616028
  - mytailorisrich 4y ago
    I am not denying that people tend to shift towards the right with age or that older people were more likely to vote for Brexit. But that's neither why Labour is in the opposition nor why Leave won. I objected to that suggestion and the rather nasty 'generations war' tone.

mytailorisrich 4y ago

It's neither accurate nor helpful to oppose generations. Your comment is also in rather poor taste. I could highlight that many of the 'young generation' voted for Jeremy Corbyn's Labour... and IMHO a reason is that they were too young to remember what his policies really meant because they were born after the fall of the USSR. Labour has been losing, not because of "old gammons" but because there have been unelectable through terrible manifestos. This will likely change in the next general election. They'll be just enough better and the Tories have burnt themselves at this point. "Young and stupid, old and mad", perhaps there's a middle ground. Re. Brexit is not that the old generation ruined it for the young, it's that they did vote when the young did not.

Dma54rhs 4y ago
I'm not from the UK but Im old enough to remember Corbyn running a very much "anti-globalist", anti EU/Brussels agenda just packed a bit different than your Brexit campaigners - the substance all the same.
Guid_NewGuid 4y ago
I had written a long reply but I don't think it was particularly constructive. I'd dispute it being inaccurate to talk about a generational divide when one clearly exists. We shouldn't avoid discussion of such a divide to save blushes. Age of the Labour -> Tory switch trending upwards and partisan divide by age increasing https://www.resolutionfoundation.org/comment/my-generation-baby-the-politics-of-age-in-brexit-britain/ https://www.resolutionfoundation.org/comment/my-generation-b... Age a key dividing line https://www.ipsos.com/en-uk/how-britain-voted-2019-election https://www.ipsos.com/en-uk/how-britain-voted-2019-election (including disclaimer from linked resource "it would be a mistake to treat all voters of a similar age, gender, class and so on as a homogenous group.") Vote by age divide over time https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ea3xOuRXgAAa8Wk?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ea3xOuRXgAAa8Wk?format=jpg&name=... I was responding particularly to the GPs implied claim that (the on average more highly educated) people educated after around 2000 were somehow the cause of the disaster that is current English politics. Brexit vote, age strongly correlated with leave vote % https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36616028 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36616028
- mytailorisrich 4y ago
  I am not denying that people tend to shift towards the right with age or that older people were more likely to vote for Brexit. But that's neither why Labour is in the opposition nor why Leave won. I objected to that suggestion and the rather nasty 'generations war' tone.