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Netherlands, Japan to join US chipmaking export controls, limit Beijing progress

15 points by Terretta 4y ago

dudzik 4y ago
> The 14nm technology is at least three generations behind the latest advances available on the market but it is already the second-best technology that China’s chipmaking champion Semiconductor Manufacturing International Corp. owns. Out of curiosity, what is the west gaining by restricting more advanced chips? China can build computers, smartphones, and weapons with the older generation of chips. Is it to make their chip industry uncompetitive so we don’t become dependent on them?
- totalZero 4y ago
  Those chips exclusively come from West-aligned geographies. China can't fully disentangle its supply chain from that of the West without building EUV-based technologies. Taiwan remains a shared pressure point so long as China needs TSMC. This buys time for the West to build more defensible fab infrastructure before China attempts to take Taiwan or damage its fabs.
  - yucky 4y ago
    Knowing this means that time is ticking on their leverage, wouldn't this speed up the desire of China to take Taiwan?
notlukesky 4y ago
https://archive.md/SUu5l https://archive.md/SUu5l
notlukesky 4y ago
The reasoning of the Biden administration is: The Biden administration has said the measures are aimed at preventing Beijing’s military from obtaining advanced semiconductors. - From what I understand is that the military uses older chips which China happens to manufacture. So the clear aim is to probably cripple consumer electronics and mobile phone manufacturers like Huawei, which it seems they already have in many markets. Wonder if this will backfire and accelerate the Chinese push into more advanced chips by a couple of years. Related articles: https://asiatimes.com/2022/11/harvard-guru-gives-biden-a-d-for-china-policy/ https://asiatimes.com/2022/11/harvard-guru-gives-biden-a-d-f... https://asiatimes.com/2022/12/us-chip-ban-wont-short-circuit-chinas-military-power/ https://asiatimes.com/2022/12/us-chip-ban-wont-short-circuit... https://www.scmp.com/comment/opinion/article/3158527/beware-new-generation-washington-warriors-bent-deterring-china https://www.scmp.com/comment/opinion/article/3158527/beware-...

15 points by Terretta 4y ago

> The 14nm technology is at least three generations behind the latest advances available on the market but it is already the second-best technology that China’s chipmaking champion Semiconductor Manufacturing International Corp. owns. Out of curiosity, what is the west gaining by restricting more advanced chips? China can build computers, smartphones, and weapons with the older generation of chips. Is it to make their chip industry uncompetitive so we don’t become dependent on them?

totalZero 4y ago
Those chips exclusively come from West-aligned geographies. China can't fully disentangle its supply chain from that of the West without building EUV-based technologies. Taiwan remains a shared pressure point so long as China needs TSMC. This buys time for the West to build more defensible fab infrastructure before China attempts to take Taiwan or damage its fabs.
- yucky 4y ago
  Knowing this means that time is ticking on their leverage, wouldn't this speed up the desire of China to take Taiwan?

notlukesky 4y ago

https://archive.md/SUu5l https://archive.md/SUu5l

notlukesky 4y ago

The reasoning of the Biden administration is: The Biden administration has said the measures are aimed at preventing Beijing’s military from obtaining advanced semiconductors. - From what I understand is that the military uses older chips which China happens to manufacture. So the clear aim is to probably cripple consumer electronics and mobile phone manufacturers like Huawei, which it seems they already have in many markets. Wonder if this will backfire and accelerate the Chinese push into more advanced chips by a couple of years. Related articles: https://asiatimes.com/2022/11/harvard-guru-gives-biden-a-d-for-china-policy/ https://asiatimes.com/2022/11/harvard-guru-gives-biden-a-d-f... https://asiatimes.com/2022/12/us-chip-ban-wont-short-circuit-chinas-military-power/ https://asiatimes.com/2022/12/us-chip-ban-wont-short-circuit... https://www.scmp.com/comment/opinion/article/3158527/beware-new-generation-washington-warriors-bent-deterring-china https://www.scmp.com/comment/opinion/article/3158527/beware-...