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Again I suspect if "ex-colonizers" allowed open frontiers, an avalanche of "ex-colonized" people would come to get peace and prosperity, leaving their elites pr

Again I suspect if "ex-colonizers" allowed open frontiers, an avalanche of "ex-colonized" people would come to get peace and prosperity, leaving their elites preaching to themselves about "subjugation". Past is past. Abuses were made but "colonialism" doesn't have to be a zero sum game. Actually it never was. It is just another point of view - an unpopular one among the elites - to be aware of.

TremendousJudge 4y ago
>leaving their elites preaching to themselves about "subjugation" It's usually the elites who inherited the colonial extractivist machine and are keeping it running. If they preach about "subjugation" it's only to avoid responsibility for failing to reform the country in a way that doesn't benefit them. People who tried actual reforms quickly found their countries intervened by foreign powers.
_8j50 4y ago
The thing is what do you do about people that refuse to accept colonisation? Even if you are right and people vote to be colonized, you have to kill or imprison the millions who resist. And even if that wasn't the case and they somehow prosper in a few decades, why would they not want independence then? Even texas wants to secede from america and the whole south fought a war. Either way, you will have a lot of bloodshed. Also, this means a lot more of the people you colonize will immigrate to the homeland as you can see in Europe, can your people handle that give the birth rate difference and cultural incompatibility and all the "purity" xenophobes? Business is business. In case you don't know, majority of black people in the UK immigrated in colonial mid-20th century to work in child care,NHS,etc...from the carribean and africa (which is great) because local talent was short and expensive. The same will happen in any new colony. It is best to be friendly trade partners and allies than master and slave. There are those who want peace and profit and there are those who are filled with violence and greed.

TremendousJudge 4y ago

>leaving their elites preaching to themselves about "subjugation" It's usually the elites who inherited the colonial extractivist machine and are keeping it running. If they preach about "subjugation" it's only to avoid responsibility for failing to reform the country in a way that doesn't benefit them. People who tried actual reforms quickly found their countries intervened by foreign powers.

_8j50 4y ago

The thing is what do you do about people that refuse to accept colonisation? Even if you are right and people vote to be colonized, you have to kill or imprison the millions who resist. And even if that wasn't the case and they somehow prosper in a few decades, why would they not want independence then? Even texas wants to secede from america and the whole south fought a war. Either way, you will have a lot of bloodshed. Also, this means a lot more of the people you colonize will immigrate to the homeland as you can see in Europe, can your people handle that give the birth rate difference and cultural incompatibility and all the "purity" xenophobes? Business is business. In case you don't know, majority of black people in the UK immigrated in colonial mid-20th century to work in child care,NHS,etc...from the carribean and africa (which is great) because local talent was short and expensive. The same will happen in any new colony. It is best to be friendly trade partners and allies than master and slave. There are those who want peace and profit and there are those who are filled with violence and greed.