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https://www.mpg.de/17916867/coronavirus-masks-risk-protection https://www.mpg.de/17916867/coronavirus-masks-risk-protectio... This is from the well known max P

https://www.mpg.de/17916867/coronavirus-masks-risk-protection https://www.mpg.de/17916867/coronavirus-masks-risk-protectio... This is from the well known max Planck institute from Germany (we're I live) The other studies you can easily find are also from well known institutes.

collyw 4y ago
Yet the overall effect of mandating n95s in Germany seems negligible. Few places mandated well fitted n95s, a cloth mask was all. But then the masks were there to keep up the illusion of a pandemic, little more.
- Felemiti 4y ago
  "seems" based on what? What research? For you personal? Public transport mandated ffp2 masks though at the beginning and in Bavaria I primarily saw them. But still of everything the mask thing is and was always a no brainer. Even if a good study might say later it did only save a few x people in comparison to the effort I don't mind. At the beginning there was also a lot of isolation due to overwhelmed hospitals. They were real and still struggling. The biggest issue in my opinion was that we as a society with so much knowledge and automitsation struggled sooo much with either people working from home or not needing to work.
  - mharig 4y ago
    Here is your 'no-brainer': https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/26/scientists-identify-likely-cause-of-mysterious-childrens-liver-disease.html https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/26/scientists-identify-likely-c...
    - Felemiti 4y ago
      How is this related to my comment of masks being a no brainer?
      - collyw 4y ago
        no brainer in that you would need no brain to assume they they "work" at this stage
  - collyw 4y ago
    "Seems" based on the case numbers shown on world in data. Given that forcing masks onto the healthy population (regardless of symptoms or previous infection) is a new intervention it should be up to those mandating them to prove that they work rather than me to demonstrate otherwise. Can you point me to anywhere on the graph that indicates that they improved the outcome? I believe that they were mandated in Bavaria in mid January 2021, and the rest of the country in April 2021. https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?facet=none&Metric=Confirmed+deaths&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Relative+to+Population=true&Color+by+test+positivity=false&country=~DEU https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explor...

collyw 4y ago

Yet the overall effect of mandating n95s in Germany seems negligible. Few places mandated well fitted n95s, a cloth mask was all. But then the masks were there to keep up the illusion of a pandemic, little more.

Felemiti 4y ago
"seems" based on what? What research? For you personal? Public transport mandated ffp2 masks though at the beginning and in Bavaria I primarily saw them. But still of everything the mask thing is and was always a no brainer. Even if a good study might say later it did only save a few x people in comparison to the effort I don't mind. At the beginning there was also a lot of isolation due to overwhelmed hospitals. They were real and still struggling. The biggest issue in my opinion was that we as a society with so much knowledge and automitsation struggled sooo much with either people working from home or not needing to work.
- mharig 4y ago
  Here is your 'no-brainer': https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/26/scientists-identify-likely-cause-of-mysterious-childrens-liver-disease.html https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/26/scientists-identify-likely-c...
  - Felemiti 4y ago
    How is this related to my comment of masks being a no brainer?
    - collyw 4y ago
      no brainer in that you would need no brain to assume they they "work" at this stage
- collyw 4y ago
  "Seems" based on the case numbers shown on world in data. Given that forcing masks onto the healthy population (regardless of symptoms or previous infection) is a new intervention it should be up to those mandating them to prove that they work rather than me to demonstrate otherwise. Can you point me to anywhere on the graph that indicates that they improved the outcome? I believe that they were mandated in Bavaria in mid January 2021, and the rest of the country in April 2021. https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?facet=none&Metric=Confirmed+deaths&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Relative+to+Population=true&Color+by+test+positivity=false&country=~DEU https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explor...