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> 2. proper 4k rendering (no blurry stuff) > I don't care about X11 vs Wayland. It sounds like you might care though, albeit not directly. That blurriness is

> 2. proper 4k rendering (no blurry stuff) > I don't care about X11 vs Wayland. It sounds like you might care though, albeit not directly. That blurriness is often the result of attempting to use fractional scaling (i.e. not an integer multiple like 200%, 300%, etc). This is common on 4k displays as many are too small for 100% scaling to be readable but too big for 200%. You can do fractional scaling on X11 but Wayland typically does it better, and without the blurriness.

taeric 4y ago
I'm in PopOS and have 150% scale on one monitor, with 100% on the other. Not seeing anything blurry, and pretty sure I'm on X11. Is that an older problem? And I think the point was more that many of us don't care how it is fixed. If that takes a new application, so be it. If it can be done on the older one, also so be it.
- hollerith 4y ago
  >pretty sure I'm on X11 Please post the output of `printenv XDG_SESSION_TYPE`.
  - taeric 4y ago
    x11
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    - gastlygem 4y ago
      X11 has been doing fine in the past few years. I have both my home and office computer running it with dual 4k displays and all appear to be swell. I use Cinnamon as desktop because it happens to be the easiest to configure for 150% scaling. I think I've tried xfce and some others but ended up with mixed results.
dspillett 4y ago
> This is common on 4k displays as many are too small for 100% scaling to be readable but too big for 200%. This is why I went for 32" 2560x1440 when I got a larger monitor. Very similar pixel pitch to the 24" 1920x1080 units that I had before (one of which stands beside it in portrait, so 1080x1920). I didn't need more smoothness, just wanted more on screen without needing to make things smaller.
hedora 4y ago
You could also turn off fractional scaling under X11. That's been my preference for 20 years (yes, HiDPI displays have been around that long...)
jjice 4y ago
This is the entire reason I use Wayland on my personal machine (Ubuntu 22 with Gnome). The X11 fractional scaling is fine, but a bit blurry. Wayland makes it look crisp, like it should.

taeric 4y ago

I'm in PopOS and have 150% scale on one monitor, with 100% on the other. Not seeing anything blurry, and pretty sure I'm on X11. Is that an older problem? And I think the point was more that many of us don't care how it is fixed. If that takes a new application, so be it. If it can be done on the older one, also so be it.

hollerith 4y ago
>pretty sure I'm on X11 Please post the output of `printenv XDG_SESSION_TYPE`.
- taeric 4y ago
  x11
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  - gastlygem 4y ago
    X11 has been doing fine in the past few years. I have both my home and office computer running it with dual 4k displays and all appear to be swell. I use Cinnamon as desktop because it happens to be the easiest to configure for 150% scaling. I think I've tried xfce and some others but ended up with mixed results.

dspillett 4y ago

> This is common on 4k displays as many are too small for 100% scaling to be readable but too big for 200%. This is why I went for 32" 2560x1440 when I got a larger monitor. Very similar pixel pitch to the 24" 1920x1080 units that I had before (one of which stands beside it in portrait, so 1080x1920). I didn't need more smoothness, just wanted more on screen without needing to make things smaller.

hedora 4y ago

You could also turn off fractional scaling under X11. That's been my preference for 20 years (yes, HiDPI displays have been around that long...)

jjice 4y ago

This is the entire reason I use Wayland on my personal machine (Ubuntu 22 with Gnome). The X11 fractional scaling is fine, but a bit blurry. Wayland makes it look crisp, like it should.