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Exactly as to be expected, when a horde of stupid monkeys (humans) tries to confine a respiratory virus. Damaging the immune system with lockdowns (less uvb, l

by mharig 4y ago

Exactly as to be expected, when a horde of stupid monkeys (humans) tries to confine a respiratory virus. Damaging the immune system with lockdowns (less uvb, less activity, fear), mask mandates (The only big studie that shows some positive effect has been made in Bangladesh. Because the medical level and corruption level are known to be superior to the industrialized nations?) and dubious vaccines takes its toll.

Felemiti 4y ago
You clearly need to step back and reevaluate your sources. There have been plenty of studies done with / in regards of masks. Also I'm totally lost on why you would ever rant on masks. They are easy to wear and do relatively good in comparison to the effort of wearing one. I also find it tremendously shitty to write this in a way that it was always clear from the beginning how this new Virus would interact with us. Why people like you think it's reasonable at all NOT TO BE careful for a totally NEW UnKNOWN airborne virus? This is srsly your first response to a unknown new thread? Ignoring it? And the situation at the beginning with alpha then beta and then delta was constantly changing. And I really hope you are at least as opiniated about all the other scams and not just your 'covid scam' like homeopathic 'medicin' and other things like religion.
- slaw 4y ago
  It is you who clearly need to step back and look at Sweden who didn't follow WHO lockdowns and it is doing better than Australia.
  - Felemiti 4y ago
    Sweden has 10 Million people in a small area and have totally different weather and culture than Australia. Australia has 25 Million people. The Netherlands for example had a much more open COVID strategy than Germany but culture wise there were much less weird / crazy people spewing miss information than what happens in Germany.
    - slaw 4y ago
      Sweden urbanization 88%, Australia 86%. Swedes were not following masks rules and no strict lockdowns. Do you mean it is climate that makes Australia excessive deaths?
      - Felemiti 4y ago
        From pure weather point of view I would assume Australia would be better off. But population density in Sweden is 24p/km^2 while Australia has 3.3people/km^2. Scandinavian countries are at least known to follow rules quite well as the trust for the gov is high. They do had social distancing rules for example. Closed some school levels and forbid mass events. Sweden also had one of the highest death rates at the beginning of COVID. I haven't followed Australia to more detail though. Edit: Scandinavian countries are also known for their really good internet (remote work)
        slaw 4y ago
        How does country population density play role where people in both countries live in cities? Rules in Sweden were no nursing homes visits and no gathering above 50 people. Look at youtube videos of social distance in Swedish metro during covid, hint there were no distancing. Average age person who died with covid was 84 years old. Most of these deaths were in nursing homes, which once government realized it, visits were banned. https://www.science.org/content/article/it-s-been-so-so-surreal-critics-sweden-s-lax-pandemic-policies-face-fierce-backlash https://www.science.org/content/article/it-s-been-so-so-surr...
        Felemiti 4y ago
        I can't rediscuss the whole corona pandemic with you. But I'm stating that this simplification in the earlier comment is not as simple. Independent of this, it doesn't matter as captain hindsight didn't exist in the beginning of all of this. If a peer reviewed study comes to the conclusion that a lockdown was a shitty idea it doesn't make it a bad decision.
- whatthesmack 4y ago
  Can you point me to any studies that show masks filter airborne SARS-CoV-2 in any meaningful way? My understanding is that there are only studies of areas that had mask mandates (or not) and the assumption that such mandates (or not) actually relate to spread, but not actually studies that conclude even N95 masks filter airborne SARS-CoV-2 in any meaningful way.
  - Felemiti 4y ago
    https://www.mpg.de/17916867/coronavirus-masks-risk-protection https://www.mpg.de/17916867/coronavirus-masks-risk-protectio... This is from the well known max Planck institute from Germany (we're I live) The other studies you can easily find are also from well known institutes.
    - collyw 4y ago
      Yet the overall effect of mandating n95s in Germany seems negligible. Few places mandated well fitted n95s, a cloth mask was all. But then the masks were there to keep up the illusion of a pandemic, little more.
      - Felemiti 4y ago
        "seems" based on what? What research? For you personal? Public transport mandated ffp2 masks though at the beginning and in Bavaria I primarily saw them. But still of everything the mask thing is and was always a no brainer. Even if a good study might say later it did only save a few x people in comparison to the effort I don't mind. At the beginning there was also a lot of isolation due to overwhelmed hospitals. They were real and still struggling. The biggest issue in my opinion was that we as a society with so much knowledge and automitsation struggled sooo much with either people working from home or not needing to work.
        mharig 4y ago
        Here is your 'no-brainer': https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/26/scientists-identify-likely-cause-of-mysterious-childrens-liver-disease.html https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/26/scientists-identify-likely-c...
- mharig 4y ago
  > There have been plenty of studies done with / in regards of masks. But not plenty positive ones. And not plenty sufficient big ones. > in a way that it was always clear from the beginning It was clear from the beginning, that the IFR is around 0.1 and 0.2 %, with a much higher rate for old men. So an appropriate reaction was for sure not the hysteric, fascist way. > totally NEW UnKNOWN airborne virus This is bullshit. The virus is from a well known family, and has just some new sequences on some of its proteins. Cross-immunity in many people was near sure. And at least the cleavage site of the S protein has a sequence patented (in 2016 by Moderna), so I guess it was not really unknown, either. My opinions are less religious than that of most other people. Did you really dare to answer to one of the comments to your comment with a link to a press release of the MPI, instead of a peer reviewed article?
  - Felemiti 4y ago
    Soooo you are what in your daily life? Why have you not been part of the pandemic expert group? I'm happy to get primary sources from you which you will easily be able to produce.
  - Felemiti 4y ago
    And an addition to your remark of 'not new': not sure if you nitpick or try to counter my point but you think that COVID as it is was nothing new? Nothing unknown and we should just have let it rip through the planet? At least I don't know any other virus everyone got I know we're a few people had strong bad reactions and lasting issues for longer than a month. Besides that, totally overrun hospitals with an highly contagious 'new' virus (including the risk you have with something normal while the hospitals were busy)
    - mharig 4y ago
      Humanity exists a little bit longer than you. But this kind of hubris is typical. In Germany there were no overrun hospitals. 'Nuff said.
      - Felemiti 4y ago

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Felemiti 4y ago

You clearly need to step back and reevaluate your sources. There have been plenty of studies done with / in regards of masks. Also I'm totally lost on why you would ever rant on masks. They are easy to wear and do relatively good in comparison to the effort of wearing one. I also find it tremendously shitty to write this in a way that it was always clear from the beginning how this new Virus would interact with us. Why people like you think it's reasonable at all NOT TO BE careful for a totally NEW UnKNOWN airborne virus? This is srsly your first response to a unknown new thread? Ignoring it? And the situation at the beginning with alpha then beta and then delta was constantly changing. And I really hope you are at least as opiniated about all the other scams and not just your 'covid scam' like homeopathic 'medicin' and other things like religion.

slaw 4y ago
It is you who clearly need to step back and look at Sweden who didn't follow WHO lockdowns and it is doing better than Australia.
- Felemiti 4y ago
  Sweden has 10 Million people in a small area and have totally different weather and culture than Australia. Australia has 25 Million people. The Netherlands for example had a much more open COVID strategy than Germany but culture wise there were much less weird / crazy people spewing miss information than what happens in Germany.
  - slaw 4y ago
    Sweden urbanization 88%, Australia 86%. Swedes were not following masks rules and no strict lockdowns. Do you mean it is climate that makes Australia excessive deaths?
    - Felemiti 4y ago
      From pure weather point of view I would assume Australia would be better off. But population density in Sweden is 24p/km^2 while Australia has 3.3people/km^2. Scandinavian countries are at least known to follow rules quite well as the trust for the gov is high. They do had social distancing rules for example. Closed some school levels and forbid mass events. Sweden also had one of the highest death rates at the beginning of COVID. I haven't followed Australia to more detail though. Edit: Scandinavian countries are also known for their really good internet (remote work)
      - slaw 4y ago
        How does country population density play role where people in both countries live in cities? Rules in Sweden were no nursing homes visits and no gathering above 50 people. Look at youtube videos of social distance in Swedish metro during covid, hint there were no distancing. Average age person who died with covid was 84 years old. Most of these deaths were in nursing homes, which once government realized it, visits were banned. https://www.science.org/content/article/it-s-been-so-so-surreal-critics-sweden-s-lax-pandemic-policies-face-fierce-backlash https://www.science.org/content/article/it-s-been-so-so-surr...
        Felemiti 4y ago
        I can't rediscuss the whole corona pandemic with you. But I'm stating that this simplification in the earlier comment is not as simple. Independent of this, it doesn't matter as captain hindsight didn't exist in the beginning of all of this. If a peer reviewed study comes to the conclusion that a lockdown was a shitty idea it doesn't make it a bad decision.
whatthesmack 4y ago
Can you point me to any studies that show masks filter airborne SARS-CoV-2 in any meaningful way? My understanding is that there are only studies of areas that had mask mandates (or not) and the assumption that such mandates (or not) actually relate to spread, but not actually studies that conclude even N95 masks filter airborne SARS-CoV-2 in any meaningful way.
- Felemiti 4y ago
  https://www.mpg.de/17916867/coronavirus-masks-risk-protection https://www.mpg.de/17916867/coronavirus-masks-risk-protectio... This is from the well known max Planck institute from Germany (we're I live) The other studies you can easily find are also from well known institutes.
  - collyw 4y ago
    Yet the overall effect of mandating n95s in Germany seems negligible. Few places mandated well fitted n95s, a cloth mask was all. But then the masks were there to keep up the illusion of a pandemic, little more.
    - Felemiti 4y ago
      "seems" based on what? What research? For you personal? Public transport mandated ffp2 masks though at the beginning and in Bavaria I primarily saw them. But still of everything the mask thing is and was always a no brainer. Even if a good study might say later it did only save a few x people in comparison to the effort I don't mind. At the beginning there was also a lot of isolation due to overwhelmed hospitals. They were real and still struggling. The biggest issue in my opinion was that we as a society with so much knowledge and automitsation struggled sooo much with either people working from home or not needing to work.
      - mharig 4y ago
        Here is your 'no-brainer': https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/26/scientists-identify-likely-cause-of-mysterious-childrens-liver-disease.html https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/26/scientists-identify-likely-c...
mharig 4y ago
> There have been plenty of studies done with / in regards of masks. But not plenty positive ones. And not plenty sufficient big ones. > in a way that it was always clear from the beginning It was clear from the beginning, that the IFR is around 0.1 and 0.2 %, with a much higher rate for old men. So an appropriate reaction was for sure not the hysteric, fascist way. > totally NEW UnKNOWN airborne virus This is bullshit. The virus is from a well known family, and has just some new sequences on some of its proteins. Cross-immunity in many people was near sure. And at least the cleavage site of the S protein has a sequence patented (in 2016 by Moderna), so I guess it was not really unknown, either. My opinions are less religious than that of most other people. Did you really dare to answer to one of the comments to your comment with a link to a press release of the MPI, instead of a peer reviewed article?
- Felemiti 4y ago
  Soooo you are what in your daily life? Why have you not been part of the pandemic expert group? I'm happy to get primary sources from you which you will easily be able to produce.
- Felemiti 4y ago
  And an addition to your remark of 'not new': not sure if you nitpick or try to counter my point but you think that COVID as it is was nothing new? Nothing unknown and we should just have let it rip through the planet? At least I don't know any other virus everyone got I know we're a few people had strong bad reactions and lasting issues for longer than a month. Besides that, totally overrun hospitals with an highly contagious 'new' virus (including the risk you have with something normal while the hospitals were busy)
  - mharig 4y ago
    Humanity exists a little bit longer than you. But this kind of hubris is typical. In Germany there were no overrun hospitals. 'Nuff said.
    - Felemiti 4y ago