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"propaganda" is overstating it, but it's hardly a respectful engagement (e.g. "godbotherers"). They appear to have no deep engagement with real evangelical Chri

"propaganda" is overstating it, but it's hardly a respectful engagement (e.g. "godbotherers"). They appear to have no deep engagement with real evangelical Christians, preferring to argue from stereotypes and pure conjecture arising therefrom. Anyway, you're not entirely correct, but they're pretty clearly bordering on trolling.

082349872349872 4y ago
Sorry. To me, a "godbotherer" is someone who is more Churchy than (in this case) Christian. Would pharisee be better? (I had avoided this choice originally due to the slur on actual Pharisees) Or something else? (see also the note in sibling thread about the importance of the adjective "authoritarian": the godbotherer reference was not meant to be respectful, but neither was it meant to refer to real evangelical Christians.)
- trelane 4y ago
  In my experience, "godbotherer" is a pejorative description of religious people generally, usually Christians. If "authoritarian" is referring to the "subsetting" p4s, no, it was not at all clear that it was intended to subset rather than describe. I definitely see it as describing rather than subsetting. This read mostly as a "those damn Evangelicals, am I right?" which is a common enough sentiment, especially in tech circles.
  - 082349872349872 4y ago
    Sorry, I had thought the footnote highlighting the importance of the adjective, the mention of Carter (for those unaware of last century's US politics: an evangelical who became President) as being in a different camp from the authoritarian camp, and the image of real evangelicals as having been hijacked, would all have sufficed to convey the subsetting usage, but I erred. peccavi
    - trelane 4y ago
      No worries. In the interactions, you're much less trollish than I first took you as. Perhaps we can all get along after all. :) Cheers!
  - kelnos 4y ago
    To me, "godbotherer" is a pejorative term specifically referring to people who try to convert others to their religion (in annoying and intrusive ways), not religious people in general.

082349872349872 4y ago

Sorry. To me, a "godbotherer" is someone who is more Churchy than (in this case) Christian. Would pharisee be better? (I had avoided this choice originally due to the slur on actual Pharisees) Or something else? (see also the note in sibling thread about the importance of the adjective "authoritarian": the godbotherer reference was not meant to be respectful, but neither was it meant to refer to real evangelical Christians.)

trelane 4y ago
In my experience, "godbotherer" is a pejorative description of religious people generally, usually Christians. If "authoritarian" is referring to the "subsetting" p4s, no, it was not at all clear that it was intended to subset rather than describe. I definitely see it as describing rather than subsetting. This read mostly as a "those damn Evangelicals, am I right?" which is a common enough sentiment, especially in tech circles.
- 082349872349872 4y ago
  Sorry, I had thought the footnote highlighting the importance of the adjective, the mention of Carter (for those unaware of last century's US politics: an evangelical who became President) as being in a different camp from the authoritarian camp, and the image of real evangelicals as having been hijacked, would all have sufficed to convey the subsetting usage, but I erred. peccavi
  - trelane 4y ago
    No worries. In the interactions, you're much less trollish than I first took you as. Perhaps we can all get along after all. :) Cheers!
- kelnos 4y ago
  To me, "godbotherer" is a pejorative term specifically referring to people who try to convert others to their religion (in annoying and intrusive ways), not religious people in general.