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> I am aware Yet you use it. > I lean towards Maybe because you just want to use it? Just look at the map[0], read the legend. Explain who were the people in

> I am aware Yet you use it. > I lean towards Maybe because you just want to use it? Just look at the map[0], read the legend. Explain who were the people in 18, 17, 11 regions? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Famine_en_URSS_1933.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Famine_en_URSS_1933.jpg

asveikau 4y ago
Probably a lot of ethnic Ukrainians? Are you aware that Ukraine previously had more expansive borders? https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5d/Map_of_Ukraine_%28postcard_1919%29.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5d/Map_of_U... That's 14 years before 1933, and the border was not there by then, but...
- justsomehnguy 4y ago
  > Are you aware that Ukraine previously had more expansive borders I would prefer a slighly more credible resource than a postcard made in times of great turmoil. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cb/Evropayskye_gubernii_Rossii_1910.png https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cb/Evropays... https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2f/Subdivisions_of_the_Russian_Empire_by_largest_ethnolinguistic_group_%281897%29.svg/4648px-Subdivisions_of_the_Russian_Empire_by_largest_ethnolinguistic_group_%281897%29.svg.png https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2f/Su...
  - nullifidian 4y ago
    The second map separates big cities and the rest, could look misleading in some cases.
- int_19h 4y ago
  This particular map is the territory claimed by the then still newly-minted Ukrainian state. Basically the then-current Ukrainian equivalent of the likes of Greater Serbia, Greater Hungary etc. There was no border in those territories for so long, anything they could have drawn wouldn't really have any meaningful historical connection. So IIRC they went by the Russian Imperial demographic maps and claimed most territories on those showed >25% "Malorossians". Ironically, this ended up pilfering some territories from Belarus, as well - note where Pinsk is on that map!
  - justsomehnguy 4y ago
    It's kinda amusing what these people are bashing current Russian maps with Kherson, yet they are fine with a postcard as the evidence of.. expansive borders.

asveikau 4y ago

Probably a lot of ethnic Ukrainians? Are you aware that Ukraine previously had more expansive borders? https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5d/Map_of_Ukraine_%28postcard_1919%29.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5d/Map_of_U... That's 14 years before 1933, and the border was not there by then, but...

justsomehnguy 4y ago
> Are you aware that Ukraine previously had more expansive borders I would prefer a slighly more credible resource than a postcard made in times of great turmoil. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cb/Evropayskye_gubernii_Rossii_1910.png https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cb/Evropays... https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2f/Subdivisions_of_the_Russian_Empire_by_largest_ethnolinguistic_group_%281897%29.svg/4648px-Subdivisions_of_the_Russian_Empire_by_largest_ethnolinguistic_group_%281897%29.svg.png https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2f/Su...
- nullifidian 4y ago
  The second map separates big cities and the rest, could look misleading in some cases.
int_19h 4y ago
This particular map is the territory claimed by the then still newly-minted Ukrainian state. Basically the then-current Ukrainian equivalent of the likes of Greater Serbia, Greater Hungary etc. There was no border in those territories for so long, anything they could have drawn wouldn't really have any meaningful historical connection. So IIRC they went by the Russian Imperial demographic maps and claimed most territories on those showed >25% "Malorossians". Ironically, this ended up pilfering some territories from Belarus, as well - note where Pinsk is on that map!
- justsomehnguy 4y ago
  It's kinda amusing what these people are bashing current Russian maps with Kherson, yet they are fine with a postcard as the evidence of.. expansive borders.