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You're right. Instead of using things which exist and are currently scaling up we should instead go all in on technologies with insurmountable resource limits a

You're right. Instead of using things which exist and are currently scaling up we should instead go all in on technologies with insurmountable resource limits and technologies that are much less developed like breeders and sea mining.

Kuinox 4y ago
Renewables energy sources as called were still pushed by the same arguments back then, we can see the results today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0qg9PT-HqM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0qg9PT-HqM I'm not saying this won't work this time, but again, I ask you how sanely can you propose a fully renewable model when countries with a lot more sun struggle to do the same ? I wonder how can you be so sure of the solution you are "selling". Ironically, on my own bus line, hydrogen bus doesn't have the best carbon footprint: https://www.airliquide.com/group/press-releases-news/2018-03-28/air-liquide-opens-new-hydrogen-station-ile-de-france-fuel-frances-first-hydrogen-powered-bus-line https://www.airliquide.com/group/press-releases-news/2018-03... No, the battery powered bus, charged with low carbon, nuclear energy has the lowest carbon footprint: https://imgur.com/a/fx5MiMp https://imgur.com/a/fx5MiMp , because here, next to the Air Liquide Innovation pole, hydrogen is still made from hydrocarbons. Also these one were not paid with europe money, but the region. Disclaimer: I own 14 shares of Air Liquide SA.
- Schroedingersat 4y ago
  So germany massively scaled back their renewable rollout and this is bad because they built renewables? Then an unrelated rant about hydrogen. That definitely convinced me. Good job, champ.
  - Kuinox 4y ago
    > Then an unrelated rant about hydrogen. Isn't your miracle solution to storing energy, electrolysers ? I don't see how that unrelated. > So germany massively scaled back their renewable rollout and this is bad because they built renewables? Ah yes, of course the issue is they have gone fully with your idea it would had worked for sure! Or maybe their issue is a lack of cheap magical energy storage? Also, where do the energy come from, in your magical energy mix, for this month, for Germany? How many installed capacity do they need ?
    - Schroedingersat 4y ago
      Storing energy in hydrogen definitely involves steam reformation. Well done. Very nice good faith response. Using gas for 500 hours a year while storage matures is definitely worse than using coal and sitting on your thumbs for 20 years while an EPR is built. Very nice non-cherry-picked example. > Also, where do the energy come from, in your magical energy mix, for this month, for Germany? How many installed capacity do they need ? To bring the locally consumed fossil fuels down to the same level as france's local fossil fuels + those imported from germany in this cherry picked unrepresentative month? About another 200-400GW nameplate at current calacity factors with a few hundred GWh of thermal storage, or roughly where they'd be if they hadn't had their rollout torpedoed in the early 2010s.
      - Kuinox 4y ago
        > Using gas for 500 hours a year while storage matures is definitely worse than using coal and sitting on your thumbs for 20 years while an EPR is built. Very nice non-cherry-picked example. You should be the last one speaking about cherry picking, or bad faith. Germany is ramping up coal while their renewable struggle to meet demand, currently running at 31GW of coal. France have less than 2GW of coal ?!? > Using gas for 500 hours a year This one is straight up a lie. Less than 50% of germany energy mix come from renewable. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renewable_energy_in_Germany#/media/File:Energiemix_Deutschland.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renewable_energy_in_Germany#/m... 500h of gaz is so far from what is happening. > 200-400GW nameplate at current calacity factors Today at midday, solar+wind load factor is about 6%. Your 400GW of installed solar+wind doesn't cover half of what coal+gas currently produce, which is 42GW. Again there is a basic math issues in the solution you are proposing.
        Schroedingersat 4y ago
        > Less than 50% of germany energy mix come from renewable. Then there's room for at least another 30% with no added storage. A fifth of that coal and gas is being exported to france. And you carefully avoided mentioning their gas. Very nice good faith discussion. You're definitely living in reality.

Kuinox 4y ago

Renewables energy sources as called were still pushed by the same arguments back then, we can see the results today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0qg9PT-HqM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0qg9PT-HqM I'm not saying this won't work this time, but again, I ask you how sanely can you propose a fully renewable model when countries with a lot more sun struggle to do the same ? I wonder how can you be so sure of the solution you are "selling". Ironically, on my own bus line, hydrogen bus doesn't have the best carbon footprint: https://www.airliquide.com/group/press-releases-news/2018-03-28/air-liquide-opens-new-hydrogen-station-ile-de-france-fuel-frances-first-hydrogen-powered-bus-line https://www.airliquide.com/group/press-releases-news/2018-03... No, the battery powered bus, charged with low carbon, nuclear energy has the lowest carbon footprint: https://imgur.com/a/fx5MiMp https://imgur.com/a/fx5MiMp , because here, next to the Air Liquide Innovation pole, hydrogen is still made from hydrocarbons. Also these one were not paid with europe money, but the region. Disclaimer: I own 14 shares of Air Liquide SA.

Schroedingersat 4y ago
So germany massively scaled back their renewable rollout and this is bad because they built renewables? Then an unrelated rant about hydrogen. That definitely convinced me. Good job, champ.
- Kuinox 4y ago
  > Then an unrelated rant about hydrogen. Isn't your miracle solution to storing energy, electrolysers ? I don't see how that unrelated. > So germany massively scaled back their renewable rollout and this is bad because they built renewables? Ah yes, of course the issue is they have gone fully with your idea it would had worked for sure! Or maybe their issue is a lack of cheap magical energy storage? Also, where do the energy come from, in your magical energy mix, for this month, for Germany? How many installed capacity do they need ?
  - Schroedingersat 4y ago
    Storing energy in hydrogen definitely involves steam reformation. Well done. Very nice good faith response. Using gas for 500 hours a year while storage matures is definitely worse than using coal and sitting on your thumbs for 20 years while an EPR is built. Very nice non-cherry-picked example. > Also, where do the energy come from, in your magical energy mix, for this month, for Germany? How many installed capacity do they need ? To bring the locally consumed fossil fuels down to the same level as france's local fossil fuels + those imported from germany in this cherry picked unrepresentative month? About another 200-400GW nameplate at current calacity factors with a few hundred GWh of thermal storage, or roughly where they'd be if they hadn't had their rollout torpedoed in the early 2010s.
    - Kuinox 4y ago
      > Using gas for 500 hours a year while storage matures is definitely worse than using coal and sitting on your thumbs for 20 years while an EPR is built. Very nice non-cherry-picked example. You should be the last one speaking about cherry picking, or bad faith. Germany is ramping up coal while their renewable struggle to meet demand, currently running at 31GW of coal. France have less than 2GW of coal ?!? > Using gas for 500 hours a year This one is straight up a lie. Less than 50% of germany energy mix come from renewable. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renewable_energy_in_Germany#/media/File:Energiemix_Deutschland.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renewable_energy_in_Germany#/m... 500h of gaz is so far from what is happening. > 200-400GW nameplate at current calacity factors Today at midday, solar+wind load factor is about 6%. Your 400GW of installed solar+wind doesn't cover half of what coal+gas currently produce, which is 42GW. Again there is a basic math issues in the solution you are proposing.
      - Schroedingersat 4y ago
        > Less than 50% of germany energy mix come from renewable. Then there's room for at least another 30% with no added storage. A fifth of that coal and gas is being exported to france. And you carefully avoided mentioning their gas. Very nice good faith discussion. You're definitely living in reality.