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I'm probably not the target audience for Apple products. If I sum all I have paid for computers, laptops, phones, smartwatchs and accessories the last five yea

I'm probably not the target audience for Apple products. If I sum all I have paid for computers, laptops, phones, smartwatchs and accessories the last five years, it would barely cover the cost of the metal stand for Studio (whatever it was called, I'm sure it had a catchy name). On the other hand, last year I paid more for powertools than most apple customers do in a life time :(

BoorishBears 4y ago
I don't get what this comment is supposed to be. For some of us these are our tools. I own the monitor you're awkwardly trying to lampoon: the Pro Display XDR. It cost $5,000 and it's been with me through at least a million dollars in income at this point, so I'd say it's a bargain? Apple makes hardware for people who understand that the cheapest item is not necessarily the best value. Sure there might be extravagant extras at times like that stand, but Apple's budget iPhone is faster than $1000 Android flagships and will get updates for longer than half of them. People who try to imply Apple is a bad value are usually just missing the forest for the trees.
- kramerger 4y ago
  Okay let me continue... I write software at work and on my free time. I also game a little bit. Yet, I somehow manage to do these for 1/10 cost compared to some people. Maybe i am too cheap? But my gear works just fine. And I have noted that I'm much more productive than most guys who refuse to work unless they are given at least three 4K monitors and a genuine gaming chair...
  - BoorishBears 4y ago
    No one is saying if you're being too cheap, that's up to you to decide. What's utterly bizzare is trying to paint Apple's target market as people who overspend when again, they make a $429 phone that will get upgrades for much longer than any phone more expensive or cheaper and it's still faster than competitors that cost double. The M1 Macbook Air is now going for $800 and it outperforms laptops that cost double that. - What's extra weird is that I have to tell someone who's into tools all of this. Do you only buy from Harbor Freight? After all, for all the memes Harbor Freight 100% has non-crap versions of their cheapest stuff that will take some pretty serious beating if you're willing to pay marginally more... But people still spring for Snap-On because they like how many teeth they get to work with, or even the knurling on something they'll hold all day. People spring for a Milwaukee to get a well balanced tool that's nice to handle in tight spaces. I shouldn't have to tell anyone into tools that there's more to an item than it's most pared down utilitarian essence... Also, I don't know which circles you run in that have underperformers being rewarded with fancy toys. Not really a thing around anywhere I've been. Carmack wrote Quake on a $9000 28" 1080p screen in 1995, so I don't think there's much going for linking "prefers a nice setup" to not being productive for the rest of us.
- smoldesu 4y ago
  You don't need a $5,000 monitor, I'm sorry. You think you do, and you've clearly justified it to yourself too, but the loss-in-productivity relative to using a $1,000 monitor is so insignificant that I won't listen to entitled millionaires defend it. Apple is taking you for a ride, one that you apparently enjoy but also one that they use to manipulate every last dollar out of your pocket like Disney World. Go, look at their hardware margins and tell me you're not being scammed. I'm sure the $5,000 monitor makes you happy, especially if money is no object to you anymore. You're lying to yourself and others if you're trying to justify the cost-benefit of a $5,000 display with a $1,000 stand.
  - BoorishBears 4y ago
    You wrote a diatribe that speaks to something that no one said or even implied. Where did I even imply that I need a $5000 monitor to write code? I honestly don't buy that my comment gave you the impression that, if I'm not sitting in front of an XDR, I just what? Cross my arms and refuse to code? My point is that the XDR was a good value for me. I wanted a screen with extremely high text clarity, there weren't many options in it's league, so I bought it once and enjoyed it almost every single day afterwards. People spend $5,000 in ways a hell of a lot worse than "tool that I use my entire workday"... - Honestly this feels like a strawman argument being used to buttress a not-very-strong argument against a company which, again, has produced multiple items that were easily the best value in mobile computing at launch. The iPhone SE 3rd Gen is faster than unreleased phones and costs $425. Sure you can hop on Amazon and get a $100 phone that's going to stop getting security updates before you can sneeze, but if your goal is phone that will keep being updated, with great battery life, and one of the largest markets for replacement parts, it's an incredible value. Apple has just killed it with vertical integration. Their margins on that iPhone SE are probably insane, yet as a user you're still getting something faster than $1000 competitors that will be longer-lived to boot. Trying to wave their margins as proof they're just screwing everyone over just shows a complete lack of understanding for how their competitors operate.

BoorishBears 4y ago

I don't get what this comment is supposed to be. For some of us these are our tools. I own the monitor you're awkwardly trying to lampoon: the Pro Display XDR. It cost $5,000 and it's been with me through at least a million dollars in income at this point, so I'd say it's a bargain? Apple makes hardware for people who understand that the cheapest item is not necessarily the best value. Sure there might be extravagant extras at times like that stand, but Apple's budget iPhone is faster than $1000 Android flagships and will get updates for longer than half of them. People who try to imply Apple is a bad value are usually just missing the forest for the trees.

kramerger 4y ago
Okay let me continue... I write software at work and on my free time. I also game a little bit. Yet, I somehow manage to do these for 1/10 cost compared to some people. Maybe i am too cheap? But my gear works just fine. And I have noted that I'm much more productive than most guys who refuse to work unless they are given at least three 4K monitors and a genuine gaming chair...
- BoorishBears 4y ago
  No one is saying if you're being too cheap, that's up to you to decide. What's utterly bizzare is trying to paint Apple's target market as people who overspend when again, they make a $429 phone that will get upgrades for much longer than any phone more expensive or cheaper and it's still faster than competitors that cost double. The M1 Macbook Air is now going for $800 and it outperforms laptops that cost double that. - What's extra weird is that I have to tell someone who's into tools all of this. Do you only buy from Harbor Freight? After all, for all the memes Harbor Freight 100% has non-crap versions of their cheapest stuff that will take some pretty serious beating if you're willing to pay marginally more... But people still spring for Snap-On because they like how many teeth they get to work with, or even the knurling on something they'll hold all day. People spring for a Milwaukee to get a well balanced tool that's nice to handle in tight spaces. I shouldn't have to tell anyone into tools that there's more to an item than it's most pared down utilitarian essence... Also, I don't know which circles you run in that have underperformers being rewarded with fancy toys. Not really a thing around anywhere I've been. Carmack wrote Quake on a $9000 28" 1080p screen in 1995, so I don't think there's much going for linking "prefers a nice setup" to not being productive for the rest of us.
smoldesu 4y ago
You don't need a $5,000 monitor, I'm sorry. You think you do, and you've clearly justified it to yourself too, but the loss-in-productivity relative to using a $1,000 monitor is so insignificant that I won't listen to entitled millionaires defend it. Apple is taking you for a ride, one that you apparently enjoy but also one that they use to manipulate every last dollar out of your pocket like Disney World. Go, look at their hardware margins and tell me you're not being scammed. I'm sure the $5,000 monitor makes you happy, especially if money is no object to you anymore. You're lying to yourself and others if you're trying to justify the cost-benefit of a $5,000 display with a $1,000 stand.
- BoorishBears 4y ago
  You wrote a diatribe that speaks to something that no one said or even implied. Where did I even imply that I need a $5000 monitor to write code? I honestly don't buy that my comment gave you the impression that, if I'm not sitting in front of an XDR, I just what? Cross my arms and refuse to code? My point is that the XDR was a good value for me. I wanted a screen with extremely high text clarity, there weren't many options in it's league, so I bought it once and enjoyed it almost every single day afterwards. People spend $5,000 in ways a hell of a lot worse than "tool that I use my entire workday"... - Honestly this feels like a strawman argument being used to buttress a not-very-strong argument against a company which, again, has produced multiple items that were easily the best value in mobile computing at launch. The iPhone SE 3rd Gen is faster than unreleased phones and costs $425. Sure you can hop on Amazon and get a $100 phone that's going to stop getting security updates before you can sneeze, but if your goal is phone that will keep being updated, with great battery life, and one of the largest markets for replacement parts, it's an incredible value. Apple has just killed it with vertical integration. Their margins on that iPhone SE are probably insane, yet as a user you're still getting something faster than $1000 competitors that will be longer-lived to boot. Trying to wave their margins as proof they're just screwing everyone over just shows a complete lack of understanding for how their competitors operate.