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Compare what happened to the creators of these games with the creators of popular titles in the USA and Japan. Tetris is an especially interesting one; Tetris

by Dig1t 4y ago

Compare what happened to the creators of these games with the creators of popular titles in the USA and Japan. Tetris is an especially interesting one; Tetris was a worldwide phenomenon, a huge hit in the US that sold a huge number of copies. The creators of Tetris saw none of the profits from their creation. Their game was seized by the state as soon as it became popular and they never really profited. Compare to similar Western or Japanese game developers who became rich and famous, started world-renowned companies, and generally had amazing careers that created an industry. Good example of why communism sucks, in my opinion.

Adraghast 4y ago
What is your opinion on FOSS?
- bombcar 4y ago
  Has FOSS produced a popular game that isn’t a copy of an existing one?
  - bombcar 4y ago
    Thought of one - Nethack and friends.
    - anthk 4y ago
      Rogue (propietary) -> Hack (libre clone) -> Nethack -> Slashem.
  - danbolt 4y ago
    Battle for Wesnoth?
  - anthk 4y ago
    Adventure. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossal_Cave_Adventure https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossal_Cave_Adventure
sdkgames 4y ago
>The creators of Tetris saw none of the profits from their creation. Their game was seized by the state as soon as it became popular and they never really profited. Wiki tells a different story
mafuyu 4y ago
The creator, Alexey Pajitnov, was eventually able to see some money from his creation after emigrating to the US and cofounding The Tetris Company. The Gaming Historian channel has a great documentary video on it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fQtxKmgJC8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fQtxKmgJC8
- asveikau 4y ago
  Kind of a tangent, but it'd weird to me that this man chooses to transcribe ж as j in his surname. Typically ж would be zh, and I think of j as a palatal consonant. I had to look up the Cyrillic spelling of his name to be sure I wasn't misunderstanding. I guess some English speakers would be more comfortable with J for that sound.
  - pbj1968 4y ago
    Takes a special kind of person to correct another on the pronunciation of their own name.
    - asveikau 4y ago
      The pronunciation is not something I'm disputing. I'm talking about romanization of the Cyrillic alphabet. There are a few established standards, ж is typically zh or ž, and j has common use as a different sound. Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanization_of_Russian https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanization_of_Russian In that table, literally none of the standards cited use j for ж. J is often used for й, or part of я, ю, ё.
      - lIl-IIIl 4y ago
        The same article says: In Soviet international passports, transliteration was based on French rules but without diacritics and so all names were transliterated in a French-style system. "French-style system" links to this article in French: https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcription_du_russe_en_fran%C3%A7ais https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcription_du_russe_en_fr..., which transliterates ж to j. It is confusing that this mapping is missing from the table in the English article.
komali2 4y ago
There's no way we have space here to do the whole debate, but for starters, the Soviet Union wasn't communist by any reasonable definition. Wikipedia does a quick breakdown: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism#Associated_usage_and_communist_states https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism#Associated_usage_and... > While the term Communist state is used by Western historians, political scientists, and news media to refer to countries ruled by Communist parties, these states themselves did not describe themselves as communist or claim to have achieved communism: they referred to themselves as socialist states that are in the process of constructing communism If we use genuine definitions of "communism" and leave to the side Red Scare American political non-definitions, we'd agree with the USSR when it doesn't call itself communist. We can happily disagree with them on their assertion that they were "in the process of constructing communism," the same we can disagree with the PRC's assertion that it's still doing the same today. If you want to say something sucks, blame the Soviet-type economic planning model: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet-type_economic_planning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet-type_economic_planning which featured absurd layers of bureaucracy that would result in, yes, the means of production being seized... and then misused by "intellectual party leaders" that thought they knew better than the people who, say, had been farming the land for hundreds of years, resulting in famine, or the other not-fun things about living in the USSR. To your point, I can find absolutely no evidence that the USSR "seized" the game from Pajitnov. Do you have some? There was no intellectual property in the USSR, I'm not even sure what "seized" means in this context. Sure, he wasn't allowed to "sell" it in the Soviet Union, but it wouldn't really make sense in their economic system to "sell" the game. He was apparently nationally and internationally known for the creation, but it seems renown wasn't enough, he wanted commercial success as well, hence the emigration to the USA in the 90s. I push back because listen to the story of how it was introduced, as interpreted by Wikipedia: > Pajitnov had completed the first playable version of Tetris by June 6, 1984.[21] Pajitnov presented Tetris to his colleagues, who quickly became addicted to it.[15]: 87 It permeated the offices within the Academy of Sciences, and within a few weeks it reached every Moscow institute with a computer. A friend of Pajitnov, Vladimir Pokhilko, who requested the game for the Moscow Medical Institute, saw people stop working to play Tetris. Pokhilko eventually banned the game from the Medical Institute to restore productivity. Does this remind you of MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory around the same era? How much of what we love to use today has similar origin stories, and brought their creators no commercial success at all? Gnu, the linux kernel, the core of most of our industry is built on libre software developed in this manner in that time. Why immediately jump to the assumption "no capitalistic success = bad?"
my_city 4y ago
The individual is more important than the community, a good example of why capitalism sucks. "Individual rights should triumph everything" is a capitalist, liberal ideological tool that is used to justify the exploitation and suffering of the vast population of the world. Human _society_ is based around communities, and _communism_ is based around what is better for _everyone_, not about what is best for a single person. Yeah, you won't become "rich and famous" (as you said) and be able to exploit others with your profits. Big fucking deal. What you are saying is liberal capitalist ideology condensed: some people have "the right" to become "rich". But not everyone can be rich, being rich requires some people being poor. So if you think about what you are saying for a fraction of a second, you will realize that your ideology (the triumph of the individual who "deserves" to become "rich") requires exploitation and suffering of others. Communism tries to combat that. Yes, you won't get rich, but at least children won't die of malnutrition. Children not dying > me becoming rich. That's a trade-off Im willing to make.

by Dig1t 4y ago

Adraghast 4y ago

What is your opinion on FOSS?

bombcar 4y ago
Has FOSS produced a popular game that isn’t a copy of an existing one?
- bombcar 4y ago
  Thought of one - Nethack and friends.
  - anthk 4y ago
    Rogue (propietary) -> Hack (libre clone) -> Nethack -> Slashem.
- danbolt 4y ago
  Battle for Wesnoth?
- anthk 4y ago
  Adventure. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossal_Cave_Adventure https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossal_Cave_Adventure

sdkgames 4y ago

>The creators of Tetris saw none of the profits from their creation. Their game was seized by the state as soon as it became popular and they never really profited. Wiki tells a different story

mafuyu 4y ago

The creator, Alexey Pajitnov, was eventually able to see some money from his creation after emigrating to the US and cofounding The Tetris Company. The Gaming Historian channel has a great documentary video on it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fQtxKmgJC8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fQtxKmgJC8

asveikau 4y ago
Kind of a tangent, but it'd weird to me that this man chooses to transcribe ж as j in his surname. Typically ж would be zh, and I think of j as a palatal consonant. I had to look up the Cyrillic spelling of his name to be sure I wasn't misunderstanding. I guess some English speakers would be more comfortable with J for that sound.
- pbj1968 4y ago
  Takes a special kind of person to correct another on the pronunciation of their own name.
  - asveikau 4y ago
    The pronunciation is not something I'm disputing. I'm talking about romanization of the Cyrillic alphabet. There are a few established standards, ж is typically zh or ž, and j has common use as a different sound. Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanization_of_Russian https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanization_of_Russian In that table, literally none of the standards cited use j for ж. J is often used for й, or part of я, ю, ё.
    - lIl-IIIl 4y ago
      The same article says: In Soviet international passports, transliteration was based on French rules but without diacritics and so all names were transliterated in a French-style system. "French-style system" links to this article in French: https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcription_du_russe_en_fran%C3%A7ais https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcription_du_russe_en_fr..., which transliterates ж to j. It is confusing that this mapping is missing from the table in the English article.

komali2 4y ago

There's no way we have space here to do the whole debate, but for starters, the Soviet Union wasn't communist by any reasonable definition. Wikipedia does a quick breakdown: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism#Associated_usage_and_communist_states https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism#Associated_usage_and... > While the term Communist state is used by Western historians, political scientists, and news media to refer to countries ruled by Communist parties, these states themselves did not describe themselves as communist or claim to have achieved communism: they referred to themselves as socialist states that are in the process of constructing communism If we use genuine definitions of "communism" and leave to the side Red Scare American political non-definitions, we'd agree with the USSR when it doesn't call itself communist. We can happily disagree with them on their assertion that they were "in the process of constructing communism," the same we can disagree with the PRC's assertion that it's still doing the same today. If you want to say something sucks, blame the Soviet-type economic planning model: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet-type_economic_planning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet-type_economic_planning which featured absurd layers of bureaucracy that would result in, yes, the means of production being seized... and then misused by "intellectual party leaders" that thought they knew better than the people who, say, had been farming the land for hundreds of years, resulting in famine, or the other not-fun things about living in the USSR. To your point, I can find absolutely no evidence that the USSR "seized" the game from Pajitnov. Do you have some? There was no intellectual property in the USSR, I'm not even sure what "seized" means in this context. Sure, he wasn't allowed to "sell" it in the Soviet Union, but it wouldn't really make sense in their economic system to "sell" the game. He was apparently nationally and internationally known for the creation, but it seems renown wasn't enough, he wanted commercial success as well, hence the emigration to the USA in the 90s. I push back because listen to the story of how it was introduced, as interpreted by Wikipedia: > Pajitnov had completed the first playable version of Tetris by June 6, 1984.[21] Pajitnov presented Tetris to his colleagues, who quickly became addicted to it.[15]: 87 It permeated the offices within the Academy of Sciences, and within a few weeks it reached every Moscow institute with a computer. A friend of Pajitnov, Vladimir Pokhilko, who requested the game for the Moscow Medical Institute, saw people stop working to play Tetris. Pokhilko eventually banned the game from the Medical Institute to restore productivity. Does this remind you of MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory around the same era? How much of what we love to use today has similar origin stories, and brought their creators no commercial success at all? Gnu, the linux kernel, the core of most of our industry is built on libre software developed in this manner in that time. Why immediately jump to the assumption "no capitalistic success = bad?"

my_city 4y ago

The individual is more important than the community, a good example of why capitalism sucks. "Individual rights should triumph everything" is a capitalist, liberal ideological tool that is used to justify the exploitation and suffering of the vast population of the world. Human _society_ is based around communities, and _communism_ is based around what is better for _everyone_, not about what is best for a single person. Yeah, you won't become "rich and famous" (as you said) and be able to exploit others with your profits. Big fucking deal. What you are saying is liberal capitalist ideology condensed: some people have "the right" to become "rich". But not everyone can be rich, being rich requires some people being poor. So if you think about what you are saying for a fraction of a second, you will realize that your ideology (the triumph of the individual who "deserves" to become "rich") requires exploitation and suffering of others. Communism tries to combat that. Yes, you won't get rich, but at least children won't die of malnutrition. Children not dying > me becoming rich. That's a trade-off Im willing to make.