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An iPad Pro is more expensive than an equivalent MacBook Pro in the UK

30 points by rcarr 4y ago

rcarr 4y ago
I bought a Magic Keyboard today for my 5th gen iPad Air and I have been playing around with it and Blink terminal and I’m really impressed with it and can see the iPad being a full MacBook replacement in a few years, presumably when Logic and Final Cut Pro make their way on to the iPad (they’ve got to do it now DaVinci is on iPad surely). Anyhow, I decided to have a look to see how much it would cost to upgrade to the 12.9 iPad Pro and a Magic Keyboard. To my astonishment, a 512Gb iPad Pro is now £1599 and an accompanying Magic Keyboard is £379. That means a full setup is going to set you back £1978. In comparison, a 13” 512Gb MacBook Pro with 8GB RAM is £1549. I understand that the iPad has a better screen and camera but I was still a bit taken aback that it was both £50 more expensive outright or £429 more expensive when you add a Magic Keyboard. Does anyone else think this is a little crazy?
- chiefalchemist 4y ago
  A little little. I'll take a stab at it. Let's presume the better camera + screen cuts that in half. Then, let's presume Apple prices the iPad Pro to reflect a one time purchase. That is, the majority won't buy the Magic Keyboard (or that some already do). Finally, (I presume, typically) the margin on accessories is higher. Let's say that cover half of the half. In the end, the difference is approx 100-ish quid. Given the added convince of the iPP they're kinda sorta the same price.
  - rcarr 4y ago
    > Then, let's presume Apple prices the iPad Pro to reflect a one time purchase. That is, the majority won't buy the Magic Keyboard (or that some already do). I’d love to know the numbers on this. I would think that iPad Pro users are more likely to be buying the Magic Keyboard than other iPad users as they’re presumably using the device for actual work rather than just entertainment purposes where an Air would suffice. Just from having the Magic Keyboard a single day the iPad is making a lot more sense as a device to me. Besides being able to type properly, using cmd + tab for app switching and globe + ctrl + left/right arrow to multitask makes it way more productive than the palava involved when trying to do the same via the touch screen.
    - chiefalchemist 4y ago
      Yeah, I'd like to know as well :) To your point, they might, but a new MKB every time? Probably not. So for say 66.66% it's a one and done purchase.
      - rcarr 4y ago
        Yeah I see what you’re saying, I had my last iPad for about 7 years and I only upgraded because I wanted the latest OS and also wanted my Mac and iPad to both be on the Arm chips. I will probably upgrade my MacBook in 3-4 years but will wait longer on the iPad unless it becomes a full fledged replacement in which case the MacBook will end up getting ditched entirely.
      - jbverschoor 4y ago
        Like hell I’m gonna pay that kind of money for a keyboard which I cannot use on the next iteration, and is not as good as what it should be on a device which really still really lacks features. If they wouldn’t be such a b** as just release macOS on it, or even just a good vm with Linux without side loading (and external display support), that’d be great.
- ksec 4y ago
  >Does anyone else think this is a little crazy? Because you included the price of Magic Keyboard, which is not part of iPad Pro. Apple's accessories have extremely high margin.
  - rcarr 4y ago
    The point is that when you buy a MacBook Pro, it has a full-size keyboard and a trackpad. It also has fans, ports, a larger case etc. The MacBook presumably costs more in terms of raw materials, parts and assembly so it is odd to see that the iPad Pro costs £50 more than it, or £429 more if you want the equivalent keyboard and trackpad functionality you get with the laptop.
    - ksec 4y ago
      Well, as stated, the iPad and MacBook Pro aren't accessories, hence their margin aren't marked as such. You dont calculate the same BOM cost on Accessories with higher margin and expect the same result on a different product categories.
    - saiya-jin 4y ago
      Well clearly Apple doesnt have a fixed margin on all stuff they make, rather they do continuous detailed analysis of each segment of the market, competition etc. and push given price as much as possible to have largest income. Accessories are logically overpriced even more since they already have you in their ecosystem, ie you dont buy samsung watch if you have iphone (but you still probably should buy top garmin instead, at least now). All this (and much more) is kind of expected from most worthy company ever. Competition does the same to some extent, Apple just has a bit more protected position so it can go further.
- floydnoel 4y ago
  the 13" macbook "pro" does not deserve the name. it is not pro in any sense, it should be called just macbook. better to compare to the 14"
  - dan-robertson 4y ago
    I think this is basically right. The 13" is basically the old hardware (including Touch Bar) with an M2 jammed in there. I think any competent enterprise would procure either the other MBP models or the M2 airs. I assume this model exists because there was spare manufacturing capacity and some organisations move at a glacial pace and seemed to think they wanted this model (or the transitional M1 13" MBP this one replaced) or because Apple had more M2 chips to use for the hardware than M1 chips.
- 2muchcoffeeman 4y ago
  I bought a knockoff Magic Keyboard from aliexpress. The hinge mechanism works great. It was 1/4 the price of the real thing. So you can imagine the margins Apple is making.
warning26 4y ago
The cost is even more ridiculous considering that the iPad "pro" can't even perform the most basic development tasks, so despite its "pro" moniker, it's useless for productivity for a huge range of professionals.
- CharlesW 4y ago
  <5% of white-collar professionals in the U.S. are software developers.
  - harvey9 4y ago
    Can it drive external monitors? I'm not a software dev but I'm not interested in using rstudio on a tiny screen. I expect Excel users feel the same way and there are a lot of them.
    - jdsully 4y ago
      Yes it can. Note that sometimes you won't be able to play video from streaming apps on the monitor due to DRM.
    - jen20 4y ago
      Yes, it can.
    - ajoseps 4y ago
      https://support.apple.com/guide/ipad/connect-to-a-display-with-a-cable-ipadf1276cde/ipados https://support.apple.com/guide/ipad/connect-to-a-display-wi...
    - doctoboggan 4y ago
      Yes, it can drive external monitors
- soapdog 4y ago
  As I mentioned in https://andregarzia.com/2022/06/about-ipads-and-developers.html https://andregarzia.com/2022/06/about-ipads-and-developers.h..., iPads and more specifically iPadOS are not built for developers. If you want to be a developer and use a tablet, you should be looking elsewhere (err.. Surface). The Pro monicker means nothing any more, but if it did it would be Apple gear that is targetting creative professionals. Think about it as focused products for digital artists.
rowanG077 4y ago
How is this surprising? The IPad Pro has a much higher end screen with touch. In addition the comparison is between an entry level apple laptop vs the highest end ipad. High end always has much larger margins.
lvl102 4y ago
Just release MacOS on the Pro line already. I think they should aim for iPad Pro + Mac Pro bundling for developers.
- highwaylights 4y ago
  Why? Would be a terrible product - try to work on an iPad keyboard for coding and you'll rapidly realise how much happier you were with an actual MacBook. I mean, could you do it? Sure, but you'd be doing it for the sake of feeling like you could rather than it being optimal - then there's all the other cases of people that still want it to behave like iOS when in "Mac mode", but of course it can't, because the security model is different there and iOS devices don't run unsigned code.
  - forrestthewoods 4y ago
    There is literally no valid reason to not support dual-boot on iPad. Should macOS support full touch screen input? Naw, it’d be terrible. Is an iPad with Magic Keyboard functionally equivalent to a MacBook? Categorically yes. In every single possible way. The fact that they won’t let you run macOS on an iPad is obscene.
    - threeseed 4y ago
      > There is literally no valid reason to not support dual-boot on iPad. It's an unworkable idea so that's a good reason. Most people have never dual-booted a system before and would find it confusing for example that their applications, documents etc don't appear in both systems.
      - smoldesu 4y ago
        That's not really a good excuse for leaving the bootloader locked? Adding iPads as a supported hardware target for MacOS is trivial (especially on the Pro models) and it doesn't degrade either experiences. Plus, they'd do a good job shutting up the row of people like me who want to see all their hardware get unlocked. Obviously their main motivation is control over the product, but I think an open bootloader is a completely sane request for hardware you own outright.
frugalmail 4y ago
Try to avoid Apple products. Nice, but not worth the brand cost.
kramerger 4y ago
I'm probably not the target audience for Apple products. If I sum all I have paid for computers, laptops, phones, smartwatchs and accessories the last five years, it would barely cover the cost of the metal stand for Studio (whatever it was called, I'm sure it had a catchy name). On the other hand, last year I paid more for powertools than most apple customers do in a life time :(
- BoorishBears 4y ago
  I don't get what this comment is supposed to be. For some of us these are our tools. I own the monitor you're awkwardly trying to lampoon: the Pro Display XDR. It cost $5,000 and it's been with me through at least a million dollars in income at this point, so I'd say it's a bargain? Apple makes hardware for people who understand that the cheapest item is not necessarily the best value. Sure there might be extravagant extras at times like that stand, but Apple's budget iPhone is faster than $1000 Android flagships and will get updates for longer than half of them. People who try to imply Apple is a bad value are usually just missing the forest for the trees.
  - kramerger 4y ago
    Okay let me continue... I write software at work and on my free time. I also game a little bit. Yet, I somehow manage to do these for 1/10 cost compared to some people. Maybe i am too cheap? But my gear works just fine. And I have noted that I'm much more productive than most guys who refuse to work unless they are given at least three 4K monitors and a genuine gaming chair...
    - BoorishBears 4y ago
      No one is saying if you're being too cheap, that's up to you to decide. What's utterly bizzare is trying to paint Apple's target market as people who overspend when again, they make a $429 phone that will get upgrades for much longer than any phone more expensive or cheaper and it's still faster than competitors that cost double. The M1 Macbook Air is now going for $800 and it outperforms laptops that cost double that. - What's extra weird is that I have to tell someone who's into tools all of this. Do you only buy from Harbor Freight? After all, for all the memes Harbor Freight 100% has non-crap versions of their cheapest stuff that will take some pretty serious beating if you're willing to pay marginally more... But people still spring for Snap-On because they like how many teeth they get to work with, or even the knurling on something they'll hold all day. People spring for a Milwaukee to get a well balanced tool that's nice to handle in tight spaces. I shouldn't have to tell anyone into tools that there's more to an item than it's most pared down utilitarian essence... Also, I don't know which circles you run in that have underperformers being rewarded with fancy toys. Not really a thing around anywhere I've been. Carmack wrote Quake on a $9000 28" 1080p screen in 1995, so I don't think there's much going for linking "prefers a nice setup" to not being productive for the rest of us.
caconym_ 4y ago
It's not really clear to me which model(s) are being compared, but it doesn't seem very surprising that a last-gen chassis with an M1 dropped into it would be cheaper than essentially the same system in a painfully thin tablet with a much better screen (including a Pencil 2 encoder).
pcurve 4y ago
The price difference between the two products is all over the place depending on the country. For example, in the U.S., ipad pro is quite a bit cheaper than MBP. However, opposite is true for Japan, even more so than UK. UK > 12.9" 256GB ipad pro = 1360 pounds > 13" 256GB MBP = 1349 pounds US > 12.9" 256GB ipad pro = $1199 > 13" 256GB MBP = $1299 Japan > 12.9" 256GB ipad pro = $188,800 yen > 13" 256GB MBP = 178,800 yen Germany > 12.9" 256GB ipad pro = 1579 Euro > 13" 256GB MBP = 1599 Euro
- Y_Y 4y ago
  €¥£ Nowadays even other currencies are getting in on this business of having symbols.
  - justahuman74 4y ago
    While you might know these particular ones, the list of possible symbol/currency pairs is long. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Currency_symbol#List_of_currency_symbols_currently_in_use https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Currency_symbol#List_of_curren...
    - akiselev 4y ago
      TIL that the falus was a Moroccan copper/bronze currency [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falus
  - rzzzt 4y ago
    Unicode 6.0 added this emoji and three more (for GBP, EUR and JPY): https://emojipedia.org/dollar-banknote/ https://emojipedia.org/dollar-banknote/
Apreche 4y ago
The difference is the display.
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victorbstan 4y ago
iOS being what it is with the whole walled garden ecosystem (which I do like from a security point of view) will significantly reduce the types of applications you will be able to run. For example I use ad blockers prominently on every platform and browser where I can. The ads on the internet and you tube etc are obnoxious. You’ll never have ad blockers on iOS, well not as long as the walled garden stays up. Imho. And that’s why I can’t get behind iOS/iPadOS as a daily driver.
- msmithstubbs 4y ago
  There are ad blockers available on iOS. https://www.imore.com/best-ad-blockers-iphone-and-ipad https://www.imore.com/best-ad-blockers-iphone-and-ipad I don't know how the functionality compare to what you are using on other platforms but ad blockers are definitely available on iOS/iPadOS.
- kcplate 4y ago
  Huh? I have been using adblockers on ios devices for years
dan-robertson 4y ago
Ugh, this isn’t a great format for a submission and I think the discussion here suffers because of it. Probably would have been better as a text submission with two links and a description but then they are maybe hard to click. I don’t really think this is very interesting. The comparison here is: Minimum spec 13" MBP < iPad Pro + larger size + next rung up in memory. But the difference is pretty small (<1%). I guess a few things are going on: - pricing may be adjusted based on demand / whether new stock must be imported. - Apple tends to price the basic model cheap with the extras (often just more memory) at a large premium. So the MBP is cheap pricing whereas the big iPad with extra memory is not. - the 13" MBP is a weird model and not one that most people would choose. In particular, it’s still using old case designs and keyboards and Touch Bars and suchlike. I suspect this is part of why it’s cheaper than the other MBP models. Most people would choose the new Air or the M1 MBPs with the bigger processors, newer (pre-2016-style) keyboards, and better screens.

30 points by rcarr 4y ago

I bought a Magic Keyboard today for my 5th gen iPad Air and I have been playing around with it and Blink terminal and I’m really impressed with it and can see the iPad being a full MacBook replacement in a few years, presumably when Logic and Final Cut Pro make their way on to the iPad (they’ve got to do it now DaVinci is on iPad surely). Anyhow, I decided to have a look to see how much it would cost to upgrade to the 12.9 iPad Pro and a Magic Keyboard. To my astonishment, a 512Gb iPad Pro is now £1599 and an accompanying Magic Keyboard is £379. That means a full setup is going to set you back £1978. In comparison, a 13” 512Gb MacBook Pro with 8GB RAM is £1549. I understand that the iPad has a better screen and camera but I was still a bit taken aback that it was both £50 more expensive outright or £429 more expensive when you add a Magic Keyboard. Does anyone else think this is a little crazy?

chiefalchemist 4y ago
A little little. I'll take a stab at it. Let's presume the better camera + screen cuts that in half. Then, let's presume Apple prices the iPad Pro to reflect a one time purchase. That is, the majority won't buy the Magic Keyboard (or that some already do). Finally, (I presume, typically) the margin on accessories is higher. Let's say that cover half of the half. In the end, the difference is approx 100-ish quid. Given the added convince of the iPP they're kinda sorta the same price.
- rcarr 4y ago
  > Then, let's presume Apple prices the iPad Pro to reflect a one time purchase. That is, the majority won't buy the Magic Keyboard (or that some already do). I’d love to know the numbers on this. I would think that iPad Pro users are more likely to be buying the Magic Keyboard than other iPad users as they’re presumably using the device for actual work rather than just entertainment purposes where an Air would suffice. Just from having the Magic Keyboard a single day the iPad is making a lot more sense as a device to me. Besides being able to type properly, using cmd + tab for app switching and globe + ctrl + left/right arrow to multitask makes it way more productive than the palava involved when trying to do the same via the touch screen.
  - chiefalchemist 4y ago
    Yeah, I'd like to know as well :) To your point, they might, but a new MKB every time? Probably not. So for say 66.66% it's a one and done purchase.
    - rcarr 4y ago
      Yeah I see what you’re saying, I had my last iPad for about 7 years and I only upgraded because I wanted the latest OS and also wanted my Mac and iPad to both be on the Arm chips. I will probably upgrade my MacBook in 3-4 years but will wait longer on the iPad unless it becomes a full fledged replacement in which case the MacBook will end up getting ditched entirely.
    - jbverschoor 4y ago
      Like hell I’m gonna pay that kind of money for a keyboard which I cannot use on the next iteration, and is not as good as what it should be on a device which really still really lacks features. If they wouldn’t be such a b** as just release macOS on it, or even just a good vm with Linux without side loading (and external display support), that’d be great.
ksec 4y ago
>Does anyone else think this is a little crazy? Because you included the price of Magic Keyboard, which is not part of iPad Pro. Apple's accessories have extremely high margin.
- rcarr 4y ago
  The point is that when you buy a MacBook Pro, it has a full-size keyboard and a trackpad. It also has fans, ports, a larger case etc. The MacBook presumably costs more in terms of raw materials, parts and assembly so it is odd to see that the iPad Pro costs £50 more than it, or £429 more if you want the equivalent keyboard and trackpad functionality you get with the laptop.
  - ksec 4y ago
    Well, as stated, the iPad and MacBook Pro aren't accessories, hence their margin aren't marked as such. You dont calculate the same BOM cost on Accessories with higher margin and expect the same result on a different product categories.
  - saiya-jin 4y ago
    Well clearly Apple doesnt have a fixed margin on all stuff they make, rather they do continuous detailed analysis of each segment of the market, competition etc. and push given price as much as possible to have largest income. Accessories are logically overpriced even more since they already have you in their ecosystem, ie you dont buy samsung watch if you have iphone (but you still probably should buy top garmin instead, at least now). All this (and much more) is kind of expected from most worthy company ever. Competition does the same to some extent, Apple just has a bit more protected position so it can go further.
floydnoel 4y ago
the 13" macbook "pro" does not deserve the name. it is not pro in any sense, it should be called just macbook. better to compare to the 14"
- dan-robertson 4y ago
  I think this is basically right. The 13" is basically the old hardware (including Touch Bar) with an M2 jammed in there. I think any competent enterprise would procure either the other MBP models or the M2 airs. I assume this model exists because there was spare manufacturing capacity and some organisations move at a glacial pace and seemed to think they wanted this model (or the transitional M1 13" MBP this one replaced) or because Apple had more M2 chips to use for the hardware than M1 chips.
2muchcoffeeman 4y ago
I bought a knockoff Magic Keyboard from aliexpress. The hinge mechanism works great. It was 1/4 the price of the real thing. So you can imagine the margins Apple is making.

warning26 4y ago

The cost is even more ridiculous considering that the iPad "pro" can't even perform the most basic development tasks, so despite its "pro" moniker, it's useless for productivity for a huge range of professionals.

CharlesW 4y ago
<5% of white-collar professionals in the U.S. are software developers.
- harvey9 4y ago
  Can it drive external monitors? I'm not a software dev but I'm not interested in using rstudio on a tiny screen. I expect Excel users feel the same way and there are a lot of them.
  - jdsully 4y ago
    Yes it can. Note that sometimes you won't be able to play video from streaming apps on the monitor due to DRM.
  - jen20 4y ago
    Yes, it can.
  - ajoseps 4y ago
    https://support.apple.com/guide/ipad/connect-to-a-display-with-a-cable-ipadf1276cde/ipados https://support.apple.com/guide/ipad/connect-to-a-display-wi...
  - doctoboggan 4y ago
    Yes, it can drive external monitors
soapdog 4y ago
As I mentioned in https://andregarzia.com/2022/06/about-ipads-and-developers.html https://andregarzia.com/2022/06/about-ipads-and-developers.h..., iPads and more specifically iPadOS are not built for developers. If you want to be a developer and use a tablet, you should be looking elsewhere (err.. Surface). The Pro monicker means nothing any more, but if it did it would be Apple gear that is targetting creative professionals. Think about it as focused products for digital artists.

rowanG077 4y ago

How is this surprising? The IPad Pro has a much higher end screen with touch. In addition the comparison is between an entry level apple laptop vs the highest end ipad. High end always has much larger margins.

lvl102 4y ago

Just release MacOS on the Pro line already. I think they should aim for iPad Pro + Mac Pro bundling for developers.

highwaylights 4y ago
Why? Would be a terrible product - try to work on an iPad keyboard for coding and you'll rapidly realise how much happier you were with an actual MacBook. I mean, could you do it? Sure, but you'd be doing it for the sake of feeling like you could rather than it being optimal - then there's all the other cases of people that still want it to behave like iOS when in "Mac mode", but of course it can't, because the security model is different there and iOS devices don't run unsigned code.
- forrestthewoods 4y ago
  There is literally no valid reason to not support dual-boot on iPad. Should macOS support full touch screen input? Naw, it’d be terrible. Is an iPad with Magic Keyboard functionally equivalent to a MacBook? Categorically yes. In every single possible way. The fact that they won’t let you run macOS on an iPad is obscene.
  - threeseed 4y ago
    > There is literally no valid reason to not support dual-boot on iPad. It's an unworkable idea so that's a good reason. Most people have never dual-booted a system before and would find it confusing for example that their applications, documents etc don't appear in both systems.
    - smoldesu 4y ago
      That's not really a good excuse for leaving the bootloader locked? Adding iPads as a supported hardware target for MacOS is trivial (especially on the Pro models) and it doesn't degrade either experiences. Plus, they'd do a good job shutting up the row of people like me who want to see all their hardware get unlocked. Obviously their main motivation is control over the product, but I think an open bootloader is a completely sane request for hardware you own outright.

frugalmail 4y ago

Try to avoid Apple products. Nice, but not worth the brand cost.

kramerger 4y ago

I'm probably not the target audience for Apple products. If I sum all I have paid for computers, laptops, phones, smartwatchs and accessories the last five years, it would barely cover the cost of the metal stand for Studio (whatever it was called, I'm sure it had a catchy name). On the other hand, last year I paid more for powertools than most apple customers do in a life time :(

BoorishBears 4y ago
I don't get what this comment is supposed to be. For some of us these are our tools. I own the monitor you're awkwardly trying to lampoon: the Pro Display XDR. It cost $5,000 and it's been with me through at least a million dollars in income at this point, so I'd say it's a bargain? Apple makes hardware for people who understand that the cheapest item is not necessarily the best value. Sure there might be extravagant extras at times like that stand, but Apple's budget iPhone is faster than $1000 Android flagships and will get updates for longer than half of them. People who try to imply Apple is a bad value are usually just missing the forest for the trees.
- kramerger 4y ago
  Okay let me continue... I write software at work and on my free time. I also game a little bit. Yet, I somehow manage to do these for 1/10 cost compared to some people. Maybe i am too cheap? But my gear works just fine. And I have noted that I'm much more productive than most guys who refuse to work unless they are given at least three 4K monitors and a genuine gaming chair...
  - BoorishBears 4y ago
    No one is saying if you're being too cheap, that's up to you to decide. What's utterly bizzare is trying to paint Apple's target market as people who overspend when again, they make a $429 phone that will get upgrades for much longer than any phone more expensive or cheaper and it's still faster than competitors that cost double. The M1 Macbook Air is now going for $800 and it outperforms laptops that cost double that. - What's extra weird is that I have to tell someone who's into tools all of this. Do you only buy from Harbor Freight? After all, for all the memes Harbor Freight 100% has non-crap versions of their cheapest stuff that will take some pretty serious beating if you're willing to pay marginally more... But people still spring for Snap-On because they like how many teeth they get to work with, or even the knurling on something they'll hold all day. People spring for a Milwaukee to get a well balanced tool that's nice to handle in tight spaces. I shouldn't have to tell anyone into tools that there's more to an item than it's most pared down utilitarian essence... Also, I don't know which circles you run in that have underperformers being rewarded with fancy toys. Not really a thing around anywhere I've been. Carmack wrote Quake on a $9000 28" 1080p screen in 1995, so I don't think there's much going for linking "prefers a nice setup" to not being productive for the rest of us.

caconym_ 4y ago

It's not really clear to me which model(s) are being compared, but it doesn't seem very surprising that a last-gen chassis with an M1 dropped into it would be cheaper than essentially the same system in a painfully thin tablet with a much better screen (including a Pencil 2 encoder).

pcurve 4y ago

The price difference between the two products is all over the place depending on the country. For example, in the U.S., ipad pro is quite a bit cheaper than MBP. However, opposite is true for Japan, even more so than UK. UK > 12.9" 256GB ipad pro = 1360 pounds > 13" 256GB MBP = 1349 pounds US > 12.9" 256GB ipad pro = $1199 > 13" 256GB MBP = $1299 Japan > 12.9" 256GB ipad pro = $188,800 yen > 13" 256GB MBP = 178,800 yen Germany > 12.9" 256GB ipad pro = 1579 Euro > 13" 256GB MBP = 1599 Euro

Y_Y 4y ago
€¥£ Nowadays even other currencies are getting in on this business of having symbols.
- justahuman74 4y ago
  While you might know these particular ones, the list of possible symbol/currency pairs is long. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Currency_symbol#List_of_currency_symbols_currently_in_use https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Currency_symbol#List_of_curren...
  - akiselev 4y ago
    TIL that the falus was a Moroccan copper/bronze currency [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falus
- rzzzt 4y ago
  Unicode 6.0 added this emoji and three more (for GBP, EUR and JPY): https://emojipedia.org/dollar-banknote/ https://emojipedia.org/dollar-banknote/

Apreche 4y ago

The difference is the display.

deleted 4y ago

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victorbstan 4y ago

iOS being what it is with the whole walled garden ecosystem (which I do like from a security point of view) will significantly reduce the types of applications you will be able to run. For example I use ad blockers prominently on every platform and browser where I can. The ads on the internet and you tube etc are obnoxious. You’ll never have ad blockers on iOS, well not as long as the walled garden stays up. Imho. And that’s why I can’t get behind iOS/iPadOS as a daily driver.

msmithstubbs 4y ago
There are ad blockers available on iOS. https://www.imore.com/best-ad-blockers-iphone-and-ipad https://www.imore.com/best-ad-blockers-iphone-and-ipad I don't know how the functionality compare to what you are using on other platforms but ad blockers are definitely available on iOS/iPadOS.
kcplate 4y ago
Huh? I have been using adblockers on ios devices for years

dan-robertson 4y ago

Ugh, this isn’t a great format for a submission and I think the discussion here suffers because of it. Probably would have been better as a text submission with two links and a description but then they are maybe hard to click. I don’t really think this is very interesting. The comparison here is: Minimum spec 13" MBP < iPad Pro + larger size + next rung up in memory. But the difference is pretty small (<1%). I guess a few things are going on: - pricing may be adjusted based on demand / whether new stock must be imported. - Apple tends to price the basic model cheap with the extras (often just more memory) at a large premium. So the MBP is cheap pricing whereas the big iPad with extra memory is not. - the 13" MBP is a weird model and not one that most people would choose. In particular, it’s still using old case designs and keyboards and Touch Bars and suchlike. I suspect this is part of why it’s cheaper than the other MBP models. Most people would choose the new Air or the M1 MBPs with the bigger processors, newer (pre-2016-style) keyboards, and better screens.