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Windows as a curated platform is a lost case at this point. They probably don't make enough money from it to justify investment. Their market is the enterprise

Windows as a curated platform is a lost case at this point. They probably don't make enough money from it to justify investment. Their market is the enterprise world where they have a lock in, plus gamers and PC users who cannot afford a Mac. It shows. Not a problem for me. I have no issue using a bad OS if a company is paying me for using it, and at home I don't use Windows.

secondcoming 4y ago
I don't use a Mac because they're overpriced. The new CPUs are interesting but the rest of it can go do one.
- clay-dreidels 4y ago
  - djtriptych 4y ago
    Reads like ChatGPT
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- shepherdjerred 4y ago
  One thing to consider is resale value. When I tried reselling old Windows laptops like a Surface or XPS, the value dropped off a cliff from the MSRP. I would spend $2000 on a laptop and then it was selling for $700 used on ebay a year later. With MacBooks (and other Apple products) you can often recoup 70%-80% of your initial cost as long as it's in good condition.
  - smoldesu 4y ago
    If it's not a base-model. If you're one of the unlucky shmucks running an 8/256 M1 Macbook Pro, you'll be lucky to get $500 for it on the secondhand market.
    - shepherdjerred 4y ago
      Swappa shows that you can get much more. The current average sale price for a Macbook Air, M1, 256GB is $673 respectively. Compared to the $1000 MSRP you're getting about 67% back. Note that Swappa takes a 3% cut, so the buyer would actually see around ~$650. https://swappa.com/guide/macbook-air-2020-13/prices https://swappa.com/guide/macbook-air-2020-13/prices
      - r00fus 4y ago
        It gets even better. I got my M1 Airs (base model) for like $850 arg (two at $950, 2 at $750 - all brand new). They're still great little machines - like my still-running 2010 Air (so retro I keep it around for kicks) - I expect these to last pretty much forever. Great for the kids/elderly when configured properly. Minimal support effort. My kids treat them like their Nintendos and they just work.
  - secondcoming 4y ago
    I don't tend to upgrade machines all that often. My current laptop is two years old that I maxed out with 128GB RAM and oodles of storage so I won't need to consider upgrading for at least 5 more years at least.
- howinteresting 4y ago
  The Macs are somewhat overpriced (especially the upsells for more RAM and storage), but I'd still consider one once you can get rid of the horrible operating system that comes with it and Asahi Linux works fully (external monitor/Thunderbolt dock support is what I'm most interested in).
primax 4y ago
No one seriously games on a Mac.
- pessimizer 4y ago
  Parse error: > Their market is the enterprise world where they have a lock in, plus gamers and PC users who cannot afford a Mac. It shows. Their market is: 1) The enterprise world, where they have a lock in. 2) Gamers. 3) PC users who cannot afford a Mac.
  - jayd16 4y ago
    This is why the oxford comma is important.
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layer8 4y ago
Also, PC users who prefer the (classic) Windows UI over macOS.

secondcoming 4y ago

I don't use a Mac because they're overpriced. The new CPUs are interesting but the rest of it can go do one.

clay-dreidels 4y ago
- djtriptych 4y ago
  Reads like ChatGPT
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shepherdjerred 4y ago
One thing to consider is resale value. When I tried reselling old Windows laptops like a Surface or XPS, the value dropped off a cliff from the MSRP. I would spend $2000 on a laptop and then it was selling for $700 used on ebay a year later. With MacBooks (and other Apple products) you can often recoup 70%-80% of your initial cost as long as it's in good condition.
- smoldesu 4y ago
  If it's not a base-model. If you're one of the unlucky shmucks running an 8/256 M1 Macbook Pro, you'll be lucky to get $500 for it on the secondhand market.
  - shepherdjerred 4y ago
    Swappa shows that you can get much more. The current average sale price for a Macbook Air, M1, 256GB is $673 respectively. Compared to the $1000 MSRP you're getting about 67% back. Note that Swappa takes a 3% cut, so the buyer would actually see around ~$650. https://swappa.com/guide/macbook-air-2020-13/prices https://swappa.com/guide/macbook-air-2020-13/prices
    - r00fus 4y ago
      It gets even better. I got my M1 Airs (base model) for like $850 arg (two at $950, 2 at $750 - all brand new). They're still great little machines - like my still-running 2010 Air (so retro I keep it around for kicks) - I expect these to last pretty much forever. Great for the kids/elderly when configured properly. Minimal support effort. My kids treat them like their Nintendos and they just work.
- secondcoming 4y ago
  I don't tend to upgrade machines all that often. My current laptop is two years old that I maxed out with 128GB RAM and oodles of storage so I won't need to consider upgrading for at least 5 more years at least.
howinteresting 4y ago
The Macs are somewhat overpriced (especially the upsells for more RAM and storage), but I'd still consider one once you can get rid of the horrible operating system that comes with it and Asahi Linux works fully (external monitor/Thunderbolt dock support is what I'm most interested in).

primax 4y ago

No one seriously games on a Mac.

pessimizer 4y ago
Parse error: > Their market is the enterprise world where they have a lock in, plus gamers and PC users who cannot afford a Mac. It shows. Their market is: 1) The enterprise world, where they have a lock in. 2) Gamers. 3) PC users who cannot afford a Mac.
- jayd16 4y ago
  This is why the oxford comma is important.
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layer8 4y ago

Also, PC users who prefer the (classic) Windows UI over macOS.